Are people that want zero immigration racist?

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People that moan about migrants coming to this county - taking our jobs - taking our houses - draining the medical system - not settling in the first country they reach for asylum- they're racist right?

There will always be an element of migration and when you take account of UK born people that leave and non Uk people that enter our country, the net figure is no doubt reasonable. They are often willing to work and contribute to our society and economy - so why the hostility?

Why not accept as a country that we have en element of migration and embrace that, if not because your views are racist?

@Disabrie22 - net migration to England and Wales averaged 200,000 per annum between 2011 and 2021

What is also important is the age and quality of people coming and going. Net migration of zero can be a problem if you are losing a lot of highly skilled people and gaining low skilled or economically inactive people

I think you are very naive if you think employers would just put the wages if people were struggling. Without benefits or rules on low pay, there just be even more poverty. Plenty of working people already use food banks, employers see this, they haven't upped wages because of it.

If you support illegal immigration then you support people trafficking and exploitation.

Agree. There seems to be a fair bit of champagne socialism on mn - those who use private, buy houses for good state / inheritance or other

Brexit made me notice that people unhappy with a situation have a voice which was ignored to our detriment.

I’m in a mixed part of London and see upsides to the diversity but I feel like the issue warrants discussion without reprobation.

It’s going to get bigger as an issue. What are the realistic options?

@Kendodd well they will have absolutely no choice if they simply can't get people to work for them! Its that or go out of business 🤷‍♀️. While the government is propping them up and allowing them to get away with disgustingly low wages for jobs that are generally shitty and hard work then they don't need to offer better pay and hours do they they?

@Stars71 I completely agree! The irony is that they literally can't see that its attitudes like theirs that got Labour absolutely trounced in the last election!

And to be fair I've employed two people from overseas in the last 6 months so that process is working, at least.

Anyone who wants 0 migration is inherently racist imo.
Most people have no real clue what the immigration system is really like. No idea how difficult it is to navigate, no idea the complex reasons people choose to come here.
We can't complain about asylum seekers on one hand, while opening our homes for Ukrainian refugees. What is that if not racism? What is so different about Ukraine that they get a whole new migration pathway created for them? Politics and racism.
And anyone moaning about building and overpopulation, I hope you have no children and have no extra bedrooms. Otherwise shut up

Is importing young people "keeping the country young"? How long can it work? Everyone ages.......

Again absolute rubbish! The ukrainians are genuine asylum seekers who have every intention of going home as soon as they can! Many Many of the " asylum seekers" who turn up on boats on the south coast are in fact economic migrants! People are sick of it, and no matter what " the left " say people are entitled to be concerned when the demographic of their area has become unrecognisable within a decade, when they can't get their children into their local school because its oversubscribed, when the doctors/ hospitals are struggling ( admittedly not just because of population increase). I live within an area of high immigration and it's completely unrecognisable from 10 years ago. Its absolutely nothing to do with colour either its to do with a clash of culture, lifestyle, expectations etc.

"Is importing young people "keeping the country young"? How long can it work? Everyone ages......."

Yes, but people from more traditional countries have more children (at least for a generation or two in the new country) so there will also be more young people.

Yes, but people from more traditional countries have more children (at least for a generation or two in the new country) so there will also be more young people until they become old people.

So do you want to replace British people with immigrants then? I think it would be sad if Britain became a place where there was no native culture or language. I guess it would be interesting, too. But how would it work? Can a nation really function without some kind of cohesive national identity?

100% a points system like we have in Australia should be implemented in the UK. It lets you set which skilled workers you want. We also turn back any boats with illegals. Anyone who arrives by boat illegally will never be allowed to permanently settle in Australia. This has been very effective against people smugglers.

Anyone who wants 0 migration is inherently racist imo.

How do you work that out? This is a very densely populated country. We have among the least wildlife of countries in the world. We despair whenever, we see green countryside being built on - all the insects and animals, that lived there, have lost their homes. Where are they supposed to go, when their habitat is shrinking all the time? Even our national parks are not wilderness - they are managed land for the benefit of agriculture, the game lobby, the forestry commission (all those rows of conifers)….

I don’t see why wanting to leave green belt to give wildlife a home, makes me racist? We firmly believe mankind will destroy itself by 2040 through climate change and loss of biodiversity - making immigration an irrelevance!

What do we do with these young immigrants when they get old?

It's a fantasy. All Brexit will do is to swap immigration from countries culturally similar and with reasonably similar economics to those from countries which are further away, with very different ideas about social attitudes.

Moronic. I don't think the UK should be opening its doors to competition for the world that is illiberal and hasn't got the slightest idea about us. We had enough of that in 1960s and 70s.

So you admit it's a ponzi scheme, but like most Ponzi schemes, it will be a while before it collapses.

It's a fantasy. All Brexit will do is to swap immigration from countries culturally similar and with reasonably similar economics to those from countries which are further away, with very different ideas about social attitudes.

It'd be much easier for you to say you prefer white people to come over instead of Black and Brown. You're not alone in this thinking - racism in the UK is a bit like fish in the sea - everywhere

Hilarious, as if the EU is some kind of multicultural paradise full of like-minded people. You have the supreme irony of criticising Brexit on the basis it will lead to an influx of brown people with cultures you don't like.

I agree with this

People often say Britain is a tiny island bursting at the seams that can't feed itself. But it's surprising how empty it is outside the conurbations.

Holland is more densely populated and much smaller. Yet I often see Dutch grown fruit and veg here in Ireland. I imagine the same is true of the UK. Some countries are better organised I reckon.

Turning back boats isn't so easy for us as there's no international waters between us and France. It's also almost certainly against international law.

It is a bizarre stance I agree

Absolutely 👍