AIBU?
To have refused to take nephew out for the day?
iz92 · 13/10/2022 12:00
Nephew is 15, y11, he hasn't done a full week at school this academic year with having one day off a week or attending one day and having the rest of the week off, he attended 4 days last week, had the Friday off and has so far had the whole of this week off, his parents don't seem to care, in their defence he did skip school Monday and Tuesday but yesterday he said he didn't want to go for no particular reason, and the same today. When he doesn't go he just stays in bed on his devices (which I wouldn't allow but I'm not his parent!).
Today, I'm going to take DD to a trampoline park, as she only attends nursery a few days a week and she's off today, his mum has asked if I can take him along as he'd enjoy it, I've said no as he should be at school and that'd be rewarding him for not attending and its half term soon so he can go then. BIL spoke to DH and DH has said I'm BU as I know nephew struggles with his anxiety which is probably why he isn't going, I disagree as yes I understand he has anxiety but I think he isn't going as he finds staying at home more fun.
AIBU?
Quincythequince · 13/10/2022 14:49
Thatsplentyjack · 13/10/2022 14:43
There’s a lot of intolerance of teenage boys on Mumsnet.
Isn't there. Its as though they should never have any problems or struggle with anything. Ots very sad and shows why male suicide rates are so high. If we were taking about a 15 year old girl I suspect a lot of answers would be different.
I do agree.
People are much harder on teen boys.
I have three of them and it makes me 🤬
budgiegirl · 13/10/2022 14:49
Parents are raising a bunch of snowflakes these days. Allowing them to stay in their bedrooms all day and not pushing them to go out of their comfort zone is going to ruin their lives. Is that what you want for them as adults?! How are they going to work? Oh no theyre too anxious to work so they’ll just sit in their bedroom and claim universal credit. Depressing! Get help for your kids!
You think that parents of school refusers don't try to get help for their kids? You think they just "allow" this to happen? How very ignorant of you. There's very little help out there, and even when there is, there are long waiting lists and endless hoops to jump through.
My brother has a teenager who has terrible anxiety, hasn't been to school in well over a year, has missed his entire GCSE year. It's terrible, for all of them. He's been waiting for help from the CAMHS and the NHS for over a year, but he's still waiting. Anything that has been offered has meant that he's had to leave the house, but they can't even get him out of his bedroom most of the time. What are they supposed to do, wrestle him out when he's taller and stronger than his parents?
My brother is lucky that he's been able to pay for a private psychiatrist and psychologist. There are glimmers of hope, but they've still got such a long, long way to go.
It's really not as simple as 'Get help for your kids'.
OP, YANBU if you just don't want to take your nephew to the trampoline park. But you are very, very unreasonable if you are doing this because you are judging, and you think you know better than his parents what would be good for him.
I'd love to be able to take my nephew out to a trampoline park. I haven't seen him in over two years due to his anxiety. I miss him terribly.
Rosehugger · 13/10/2022 14:50
unusuallad · 13/10/2022 14:48
YANBU
At 15, anxiety about WHAT?
Even if he does have anxiety, he has to get on with it. Anxiety is COMPLETELY natural but you have to push through it / find ways of coping or you will get nowhere in life.
What is being mollycoddled by his parents teaching him in terms of coping with life? He will not be tolerated in further education or the workforce with this attitude unfortunately.
About school - Google school anxiety and save yourself being so embarassingly ignorant in future. It's a mental health condition, not just "being a bit worried" and you push on. Like depression isn't "being a bit sad."
sandytooth · 13/10/2022 14:51
Quincythequince · 13/10/2022 14:49
I do agree.
People are much harder on teen boys.
I have three of them and it makes me 🤬
Thatsplentyjack · 13/10/2022 14:43
There’s a lot of intolerance of teenage boys on Mumsnet.
Isn't there. Its as though they should never have any problems or struggle with anything. Ots very sad and shows why male suicide rates are so high. If we were taking about a 15 year old girl I suspect a lot of answers would be different.
I don't have any and noticed the difference. Disgusting isn't it. Like man up.
budgiegirl · 13/10/2022 14:55
He should be getting treatment for his anxiety then
Yes, he should. But that is so much easier said than done. Childrens mental health services are on their knees at the moment. The help and support that many children need just isn't there. My nephew has extreme, life changing anxiety, and he just couldn't get the help he needed, even after an entire year. His parents have gone private, but waiting lists for private childrens mental health services are also very long.
londonrach · 13/10/2022 14:56
You sound very uneducated on school refusal and anxiety. I have a friend who's son not gone to school since Feb last year.....he has attempted suicide and it's been a very hard struggle for my friend to get support from the school and lea. Saying that no way could he do this activity as it involves him seeing other people and leaving his bedroom. Maybe start being a supportive aunt here to your nephew who is struggling at the moment.
Rosehugger · 13/10/2022 14:56
DD2 gets everything ready for school she wants to go, but just can't. There is a mental block. No amount of punishment or bribery would make her go to school, no punishment is greater than having to go to school when they don't feel safe there. If we tried to take her in mid panic attack (aside from the physical impossibility of forcing her in, even between two of us as she is adult-sized) she runs away and that is far more unsafe than her remaining at home.
There is no mental health handbook that would suggest forcing someone to do the thing they are terrified of helps them get over it, it just creates further trauma. Not that this stops school suggesting it, or fining parents when they would like nothing more than their kids to just go to school.
Thatsplentyjack · 13/10/2022 14:56
unusuallad · 13/10/2022 14:48
YANBU
At 15, anxiety about WHAT?
Even if he does have anxiety, he has to get on with it. Anxiety is COMPLETELY natural but you have to push through it / find ways of coping or you will get nowhere in life.
What is being mollycoddled by his parents teaching him in terms of coping with life? He will not be tolerated in further education or the workforce with this attitude unfortunately.
Disgusting attitude
sandytooth · 13/10/2022 14:57
unusuallad · 13/10/2022 14:48
YANBU
At 15, anxiety about WHAT?
Even if he does have anxiety, he has to get on with it. Anxiety is COMPLETELY natural but you have to push through it / find ways of coping or you will get nowhere in life.
What is being mollycoddled by his parents teaching him in terms of coping with life? He will not be tolerated in further education or the workforce with this attitude unfortunately.
Really? I had a diagnosed anxiety disorder and managed further education perfectly well with some reasonable adjustments.
AmyDudley · 13/10/2022 14:59
It sounds as if he hould be getting more support from the school - could they not send work for him to do at home? It's important he has support with his education. I am very sympathetic to his anxiety but I think that his days at home should be spent doing school work so they are productive and for his long term interests in not missing out on his learning.
So no I don't think you should take him to the park, in school hours but personally I would offer to take him out at the weekend or after school time if he is comfortable with that as I suspect he doesn't manage to go out much on his own.
Notanotherwindow · 13/10/2022 14:59
@budgiegirl Not wrong. Nor ignorant. I suffer badly with anxiety to the point I am on 3 types of medication for it.
Its crippling. But please explain why he cannot do his school work at home?
I have every sympathy for him not going to school but he still needs an education.
What he does not need is rewarding with a trampoline park when he should be at school.
There's a fine line between supporting and enabling.
TheColorIndigo · 13/10/2022 14:59
Notanotherwindow · 13/10/2022 14:49
Nope. If he's too anxious to go to school, he's too anxious to go trampolining. If he can go on a day out, he can go to school. If he can't go to school, he can do home work. There wouldn't be any of this lying in bed on his phone shite.
What happens to school refusers if parents have this attitude?
I have friends whose kids have refused at one time or another. Mostly, with a lot of gentle understanding and support, they have made it back in. None of them forced them (beyond maybe the very first time).
It's extremely depressing that so many people seem to think anxiety is a choice.
MrsTerryPratchett · 13/10/2022 14:59
Naunet · 13/10/2022 14:29
BIL spoke to DH and DH has said I'm BU as I know nephew struggles with his anxiety
Wow! Who the hell do these men think they are? The bosses of the inferior female staff? Fucking cheek of it. Not your kid, not your problem.
This is why it would be a flat no from me. Men deciding how to schedule the woman's time? Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
2bazookas · 13/10/2022 15:00
DD is in nursery nephew is 15. 10 year age and size difference. It's a nonsensical pairing for that activity.
Purely on physical safety grounds a commercial trampoline park is very unlikely to permit a strapping great teenager to trampoline with 5 yr old little girl.
sandytooth · 13/10/2022 15:01
MrsTerryPratchett · 13/10/2022 14:59
This is why it would be a flat no from me. Men deciding how to schedule the woman's time? Fuck that for a game of soldiers.
Naunet · 13/10/2022 14:29
BIL spoke to DH and DH has said I'm BU as I know nephew struggles with his anxiety
Wow! Who the hell do these men think they are? The bosses of the inferior female staff? Fucking cheek of it. Not your kid, not your problem.
Yup that's my issue with it. Why have 3 adults decided it's ok to try and make OP do this.
Rosehugger · 13/10/2022 15:04
We certainly value education. DH and I are both professionals, and with graduate/post-grad qualifications. DH is a school governor. DD1 is on for 3 x As* at A-Level. DD2 had excellent attendance at primary school but has struggled since she started secondary school.
In September 2020, by the way, which is not insignificant.
budgiegirl · 13/10/2022 15:11
I suffer badly with anxiety to the point I am on 3 types of medication for it
I'm truly sorry to hear that, but then maybe you can understand better than most that people with anxiety can cope with some situations better than others? That a visit to a trampoline park may not cause as much anxiety as a day at school? And you would therefore refrain from making such sweeping statements as If he's too anxious to go to school, he's too anxious to go trampolining. If he can go on a day out, he can go to school.
hattie43 · 13/10/2022 15:11
I wouldn't have taken him either . He shouldn't be allowed to just not go to school , he is being set up for a lifetime of failure with no education .
If he is genuinely I'll then the support comes from getting him professional help not allowing him to doss at home on screens .
Teenagers are great manipulator's so has he been professionally assessed ?
Thatsplentyjack · 13/10/2022 15:18
hattie43 · 13/10/2022 15:11
I wouldn't have taken him either . He shouldn't be allowed to just not go to school , he is being set up for a lifetime of failure with no education .
If he is genuinely I'll then the support comes from getting him professional help not allowing him to doss at home on screens .
Teenagers are great manipulator's so has he been professionally assessed ?
And what do you suggest the parents do to make him go to school?
It's not quite a simple as get him professional help. Do you realise how long this sort of help takes to access?
BloodAndFire · 13/10/2022 15:18
JennyForeigner2 · 13/10/2022 12:40
I doubt that the OP will bring up her children to truant though, so it’s something if a moot point.
Let’s be honest here, it’s generally not the children of people who value education who end up refusing to go.
GloriousGlory · 13/10/2022 12:38
At least then if you're in the same situation when your DD is older, you'll be a far better parent and far better know what's the right course of action.
Good luck, you may need it!
iz92 · 13/10/2022 12:33
Yes, I know he is struggling with anxiety, but I do think some if it is due to him wanting to stay in bed on his devices as whenever BIL has taken his things in the past and has told him he needs to go to get them back, he goes the next day. I also don't think taking him somewhere fun will help him, as it is rewarding him for not going. I also wanted to have a nice afternoon spending time with just DD. DH is working so he cant take him, as is BIL.
This isn't true at all. I'm the child of highly educated parents who really value education.
One of my siblings has spent her entire life refusing to do anything- school, work, family events etc. This is apparently due to anxiety.
Funnily enough, she's always well enough for my mum to take her to the seaside, to gigs, cafes, shopping, all the fun stuff. Mum thinks it's important for her to get out and about....
She is now 40 and my mum is 75. And she (my sister) still lives with my parents, has never held a job nor a relationship nor learned to drive nor is she willing to use public transport. My mum still does everything for her. Be warned!
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