To think that if you have time to be on MN moaning about your

[Amethyst8]

Cleaner then you probably have time to be doing your cleaning yourself. Find myself a bit bewildered by the complaints about cleaners on here. Not really a problem in the the true sense of the word IMO. Is your purse also too small for your £50s and are your diamond shoes too tight? (thank you Chandler! )

I meant the women wouldn't be working outside of the house - unlike today where they can be sole breadwinner, like in my household

middle class men would have been in the professions I suppose, medicine, law, engineering?

lol @ op

I have noticed a ridiculously high number of cleaner threads recently. Itall seems like... such an effort... such a chore, having a cleaner

well not everyone has a perfect cleaner, it can be a nightmare finding a decent one (especially for a squalid mess like my house) and keeping them

Not the cleaner argument again...

This is one thing you just don't get us dads joining in with... It baffles us.

all that effort involved in finding and then keeping and tidying for and complaining about and having talks with.. a cleaner

well, it just exhausts me reading about it

come now, UQ. There's a shed load of things dads don;t join in with on mn

I know, I know... I'm thinking of getting the Dadsnetters to join in a thread about them all..

it's not too far removed from finding a good plumber or builder, except you hopefully don't need either of those every day

what's your position on gardeners and window cleaners then, are they ok?

who are you speaking to, vacua? I am losing the thread here

If you meant the mc women, well okay. Saying that I believe it was quite common for working class women to work outside the home in this era-my great grandmother trained to be a nurse in the late 1800's and the women in my family have worked ever since.
I don't know about her mother but it wouldn't surprise me!

I dunno actually, I'm sort of mumbling into my ben and jerry's 'wich' - chewy chocolate cookies with vanilla chocolatey chip ice cream

and dropping lots of crumbs for someone else to sweep up, if the dog doesn't get there first

women do tend to prattle on about their cleaners on here though.

perhaps for them it means they have er 'arrived' somewhere and see it as something to boast about rather than just being utterly utterly shit at cleaning, and lazy, like me

having said that this is only the second thread about cleaners, or third at most, that I have read and contributed to

I don't know that many women who have cleaners..are the posters on MN representitive of the general population in 2008? I am beginning to think not..

lol @ 'beginning' to think not. Did it not smack you in the face the first time you came on here?!

It wasn't that long ago I first started using MN but the last few weeks it seems to have come over all private schools/ cleaners/ Ocado/ must never mix with the working class, they
are all poor and unhappy, type posts lately

anyone who has to work for a living is part of a working class though, people who have time to do their own cleaning must be living a life of luxury

exits thread, hurriedly

vacua, you are suffering from a sugar rush from too much B&J.

Mrsruff, the signs are always there...

backflips back into thread . . .

don't know what you MEAN pd

. . . and out again

And since when has middle class become a code for all that is good in the world? You know, on the schools threads-it's not all bad, there are a few middle class children there!

have your eyes crossed yet?

you also need to watch out there, ruff. ON mn 'middle class' is used as if talking about a large section of society when in fact people are talking very much about 'upper middle class', a particularly small section.

Yes!!exactly! My mc friends don't have these kind of attitudes! Thank you, you have cleared that up for me!

you;re welcome

I thought I was middle class until I came on mn.