To wonder why drag queens have to do those stupid facial expressions

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The stupid 'sultry' porno face. Why do they do it?

Why is it when women complain it’s screeching? Why do men never screech?
Pure misogyny- like Drag Queens

Just waiting for someone to accuse us of jealousy next

I think they are creepy and disgusting. Always a Pervy, prostitute look to them.
If they are going to dress as a woman then have class and elegance and not apply clown makeup!!
I will never be caught dead at a drag show and to be honest I think people who are into that kind of thing have a really dull sense of humour and need to live more.
They need to be banned for simply being disrespectful to all women!

The misogyny is strong in this one

Also the psychic powers... I mean how else would they know we're all middle aged and white? How could they be so sure? Oh, wait...

I agree with you - I didn't think much of it when saw the odd panto when I was younger (probably because I was a child and not yet fully aware of the patriarchy...), as I got older I thought of the long-standing tradition in theatre of men playing female characters stemming from Shakespearean time when women weren't allowed on stage....and then I saw one episode of RPDR and thought eurgh. This is disgusting it's so utterly misogynistic, and yes, the contempt that these men seem to have for women is astonishing, and the fact that other women seem to find this entertaining is even more astonishing to me.

I don't think drag queens are really meant to "be" women. Not in the past, anyway.

They are more like what what you'd get if the cultural emblems of femininity were applied to males. So male sexuality, though usually directed towards other men, expressed through traditionally female cultural symbols. And the two elements are related - males attracted to other males and therefore borrowing sexual tropes that traditionally are meant to attract males.

So basically the porno faces are there because they are an expression of male sexuality. In a heterosexual porn context they are male projections on the female performer. In drag the man is performing them himself as expressions of his sexual relation to other men.

Now people have imposed all of this identity bs on to what was a niche but not incoherent things for gay males. And lots of them have stupidly taken it on.

OK, I'll bite as a middle aged white woman. Why don't we deserve a voice as well? Perhaps women, all women of any colour or culture, who also happen to be the majority of people on the planet, why can't we be given the same rights to be offended as every one else?

Women the world over are being vilified and worse, for daring to stand up for their rights. I am sick of it.

Are you seriously asking a question about what motivates drags queens to pull stupid faces OP?

There's nothing to think about or analyse with drag queens, they are what they appear to be: men dressed up in ridiculous outfits, pulling stupid faces.

There's nothing more to it than that.

Not sure how I feel about drag.

But to be fair, several female celebs (and non-celebs) have those stupid inflated lips and constantly do the "sultry" porno face as well!!

Dame Edna and Stanley Baxter.

Me too.

Different people find different things funny. It is allowed.

For myself, I've never found Norman Wisdom or Tommy Cooper remotely funny. My mother couldn't understand why people laughed at Monty Python. So what? Nothing wrong with that.

I've always thought that when male comedians dressed up as women they were inviting us to laugh at them, the incongruousness of a big, beefy man pretending to be a woman , rather than making fun at women in general.

Is it OK if women mock other women, like Patsy and Edina? Only misogynistic if a man does it? Worse if it's a gay man - it must be misogynistic, no room for doubt, because obviously gay men hate women just as lesbians are labelled man-haters? (I am being sarcastic.)

And then the insidious use of the word 'fetish'. They are deviants, perverts. It's sexual. Pass the smelling salts.

And I'm reminded of the Mary Whitehouse years. It really is not a good look if you want to persuade people of your point of view.

Why is Drag OK and Blackface not?
As a child of the 60s, I watched both on TV. Now one entertains my adult child and is ok, the other is objected to in horrified terms.’It was alright in the 70s’ is an education in itself.
I now think both are unacceptable.

@Hoppinggreen I think I was at the same 'performance' - lots of shiny black and red leather outfits??

I found it extremely out of place - bringing incredibly sexualised imagery into a family shopping mall on a Saturday afternoon! I find this forcing of fetishised behaviour into the mainstream worrying...

I don't know about a porno face, but the ones I see always pose with their mouth open, with lips drawn back to expose their teeth.

They are seemingly labouring under the impression that this makes them look like a woman.

I always think "Oh yes, My God, I totally thought that was a woman there, with stereotypically female broad shoulders, hulking frame, square jaw and trowelled on clown-esque make-up".

If 'black face' is wrong, how is 'woman face' acceptable?

But to be fair, several female celebs (and non-celebs) have those stupid inflated lips and constantly do the "sultry" porno face as well!!

All looks devolved from porn and the sex industry.

Which is degrading and humiliating towards women.

It's a vicious circle, that always comes back to the objectification and degradation of women.

It's just the patriarchy in a frock.

They're doing it because they think they look good. End of. It's not to do with mocking women. It's do with making themselves look sexy/funny/good according to do with their personal tastes.

Comparing it to blackface is just disgusting. It is a marginalized group expressing themselves. A middle finger from an oppressed class to society.

Blackface was a middle finger from society to an oppressed class.

If you don't like it, don't watch it.

Just wondering if it would be okay for a white man to dress up as a black drag queen with fake breasts.

Because it seems to be:
a) Altering skin colour to emulate the skin colour of a historically oppressed group is Not Okay, but
b) Altering body shape to emulate the secondary sexual characteristics of a historically oppressed group is Totally Okay.

I've read lots of people defending drag queens on here but I still don't get the difference.

I dislike drag intensely.

@VillanellesCoat It doesn't matter what it's 'origins' were, or 'development' is, (just as it doesn't matter the 'origins' or 'development' of Blackface) it is deeply and utterly misogynistic and offensive.

@Krakinou In what way do you think the two are comparable?

@VillanellesCoat Perhaps because you're too "lazy" yourself to understand others' points of view, and just expect everyone to agree with you?

One, solitary, female contestant does not prove the rule.

Marsha P Johnson is on record for having been nowhere near the stonewall riots when they started. Any claims to the contrary are revisionist.

Dame Edna was the only funny one then Barry Humphries is a genius. As for the rest rubbish and all that bloody lip-synching to, I am what I am nonsense. You're a bloody disgrace that's what you are!

I loathe drag ‘queens’. Complete dickheads. We women have to smile and go along with it to be a good sport- as per.

They’re vile and make me feel quite sick tbh.

Grotesque