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To feel this gutted about DH and my book

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Mrsaspiringauthor · 05/10/2022 07:08

I probably am. Just surprised by how hurt I feel.

I’m one of those people who has wanted to write a book for years but lacked the confidence. I loved writing as a child but had a bad experience when toxic mother (now NC) found some of my writing and was so sneery about it I didn’t write again.

I had an idea for a novel years ago and earlier this year found the confidence to start writing it. At first I felt really uncomfortable about it and just imagined my mum looking over my shoulder and sneering at it. But I kept going and after a few weeks and 10,000 words found that I was really enjoying it. I’m now 155000 words into a novel that will hopefully be 450k words (big sweeping saga) and have absolutely fallen in love with writing again, I get so much enjoyment from bot the writing and the research as well as plotting, developing characters etc. It’s so hard to judge your own writing but I think what I’ve written so far is ok.

Have talked to DH about the book as I write it and he’s been reasonably interested. He actually has more of a background in writing than I do in terms of what he studied at Uni and parts of his job. I haven’t told anyone else I’m writing and asked him if he’d read what I’ve written so far. It felt like a big deal to share my writing with someone else and I told him to only read it when he has time.

Anyway he was away for a few days with lots of free time (ended up being much more than expected) and he said he’d read it then.

He got back yesterday and I guess I was hoping he’d bring it up and tell me what he thought. Eventually I asked him if he’d read it and he said, oh yeah meant to say, yeah I really liked it. He’d read only about 40 pages (he is a fast reader so not much for him) and didn’t seem to have much else to say about it. I asked him what he thought of a few aspects of it and he was very positive but didn’t seem to have put much thought into it.

I guess I’m just thinking about how it would have been if the roles were reversed, I’d have made the time to read it all and would have had lots to say even if I thought it was crap. At the very least I’d have said well done for picking up your own again and writing 1/3 of a book.

He has always made me feel as if he always has something more important than me going on so I guess it’s just a sore point. There’s always work to be done (he’s very invested in his job), a cup of tea to make it a pot to watch or a task that needs finished. Even on our wedding day I felt I hardly saw him as he was ‘just going to speak to X Y or Z - a couple of people joked on the day that I’d lost my husband as he was always off with someone else.

No snark please as I just feel really sad, I guess I just wanted a bit more encouragement.

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GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 05/10/2022 13:25

@Suetwo , to imply that nothing but ‘great literature’ is not worth bothering with is surely just daft.

Popular fiction of whatever genre gives a lot of pleasure to many people, and many people do read classics and lit-fic as well as the latest popular e.g. crime novel.

While I’m at it, it’s worth mentioning that Dickens wrote for the masses - he started his own magazines for serialising his own novels and those of his friends. One such weekly mag was priced at 2d - old pence - in order to be affordable for as many people as possible. They were hugely successful - he stuffed them with advertisements, too, to help to enable such a low price,

WhileMyGuitarGentlyWeeps · 05/10/2022 13:45

Suetwo · 05/10/2022 12:27

Are you hoping to get it published? Or do you just write for personal pleasure? If you write for pleasure, then people ought to be kind. But if you hope to get it published, I’m afraid I have no sympathy. Writing a massive novel is a very arrogant thing to do. When you think how busy most people’s lives really are, it would take an average person three or four months to read your great big book. During that time, they could have read Henry James or Nabokov or Philip Larkin. If you are going to put a massive book out into the world, you have to expect savage criticism. It’s only right. Look at Harold Bloom’s great list (his canon) - it would take most people several lifetimes to read the books he recommends.

I had vague plans to write myself, but gave them up. I couldn’t justify it. No matter how hard I try, I can never match Virginia Woolf or Emily Bronte or Hilary Mantel. There are so many masterpieces out there, from Chaucer to Milton to Dickens to Woolf, that I wouldn’t want people reading my stuff when they could (and should) be reading the classics.

I’m sorry to be brutal, but I care too much about literature. Great literature is a serious and sacred thing. To me, it’s more important than religion; indeed, for many people it is a substitute for religion - a form of beauty and wisdom and guidance. If you have a creative itch, why not write short stories? They can be published in magazines and anthologies.

Wow what a horrible snobby post that is. ^ Sad

Itemremovedfromthebaggingarea · 05/10/2022 13:53

I have a similar interest too. Just from my own experience op, I have learnt who to ask an opinion of and who not to. Try not to be upset by your DH but next time find a more enthusiastic and interested soundboard. Please don’t let it put you off!!!!

WeepingSomnambulist · 05/10/2022 13:56

Suetwo · 05/10/2022 12:27

Are you hoping to get it published? Or do you just write for personal pleasure? If you write for pleasure, then people ought to be kind. But if you hope to get it published, I’m afraid I have no sympathy. Writing a massive novel is a very arrogant thing to do. When you think how busy most people’s lives really are, it would take an average person three or four months to read your great big book. During that time, they could have read Henry James or Nabokov or Philip Larkin. If you are going to put a massive book out into the world, you have to expect savage criticism. It’s only right. Look at Harold Bloom’s great list (his canon) - it would take most people several lifetimes to read the books he recommends.

I had vague plans to write myself, but gave them up. I couldn’t justify it. No matter how hard I try, I can never match Virginia Woolf or Emily Bronte or Hilary Mantel. There are so many masterpieces out there, from Chaucer to Milton to Dickens to Woolf, that I wouldn’t want people reading my stuff when they could (and should) be reading the classics.

I’m sorry to be brutal, but I care too much about literature. Great literature is a serious and sacred thing. To me, it’s more important than religion; indeed, for many people it is a substitute for religion - a form of beauty and wisdom and guidance. If you have a creative itch, why not write short stories? They can be published in magazines and anthologies.

This is such utter tripe.

Are you basically saying that there are enough books now so let's not bother anymore? We've got the classics?

That isnt something a cultured, intelligent person says. This is the thoughts of someone who thinks themselves superior but is actually just an empty vessel.

It is spectacularly dimiwttied to think that there is no point in adding to the great works out there. That's how art and culture evolve, how people grow and share with one another.

You're right when you compared it to a religion for you. You get whackjob extremists in every religion who take what should be beautiful (the creation and sharing of stories) and turn it into a twisted definition of itself (the fundamental belief that no new novels can possibly compare to the "classics" so we all need to stop and religiously read those).

I've seen some crazy stuff on chat forums but this... this is just insane.

mam0918 · 05/10/2022 13:58

Ahtoottoot · 05/10/2022 11:19

‘Lol’ ?!

SURE you’ve been a written as a job, sure you have.

Ive worked in the writing industry as posted earlier.

I use 'lol' on forums, where I am posting quickly.

No one is writting reviewed essays and novels to respond to mumsnet questions. The two things are not remotely linked and your comment is snobby.

Testina · 05/10/2022 13:59

@Suetwo I’ve written several replies to you and deleted, as I’m struggling with the MN rule against as hominem attacks. As you are so very well read, could you please find a sacred literary classic from your shelves that describes someone who is a pretentious wanker, and have a read?

bloodyunicorns · 05/10/2022 14:22

Here you are, OP, re book length: www.writersdigest.com/.amp/whats-new/word-count-for-novels-and-childrens-books-the-definitive-post

Also, if you get your book edited or proofread, the longer it is the more that will cost.

To check if your book is really one, two or more books, write its synopsis: first a one-sentence one, then an A4 page. There should be a narrative arc, a character arc, and a plot arc, and they should all be finished off by the end of the book.

DragonflyNights · 05/10/2022 15:37

Jeez, yes novel writing is a tough industry but it’s amazing how some people seem so keen to rubbish the OP and tell her she’s silly basically for even trying. Of course she needs to be realistic and understand it’s very hard but fucking hell it’s like some people are offended at others even trying and giving a writing dream a go!

Rainbowcat99 · 05/10/2022 16:14

I’m sorry to be brutal, but I care too much about literature. Great literature is a serious and sacred thing. To me, it’s more important than religion;

@Suetwo

Well this is pretentious bollocks if ever I heard it!!

We have no real idea what op's book is like, we all enjoy reading different things. It may well be that the op's book hits the spot with a certain type of reader. How silly to think that people should only write short stories because long books already exist 😆

Doingprettywellthanks · 05/10/2022 16:57

Suetwo · 05/10/2022 12:27

Are you hoping to get it published? Or do you just write for personal pleasure? If you write for pleasure, then people ought to be kind. But if you hope to get it published, I’m afraid I have no sympathy. Writing a massive novel is a very arrogant thing to do. When you think how busy most people’s lives really are, it would take an average person three or four months to read your great big book. During that time, they could have read Henry James or Nabokov or Philip Larkin. If you are going to put a massive book out into the world, you have to expect savage criticism. It’s only right. Look at Harold Bloom’s great list (his canon) - it would take most people several lifetimes to read the books he recommends.

I had vague plans to write myself, but gave them up. I couldn’t justify it. No matter how hard I try, I can never match Virginia Woolf or Emily Bronte or Hilary Mantel. There are so many masterpieces out there, from Chaucer to Milton to Dickens to Woolf, that I wouldn’t want people reading my stuff when they could (and should) be reading the classics.

I’m sorry to be brutal, but I care too much about literature. Great literature is a serious and sacred thing. To me, it’s more important than religion; indeed, for many people it is a substitute for religion - a form of beauty and wisdom and guidance. If you have a creative itch, why not write short stories? They can be published in magazines and anthologies.

My toes curled with embarrassment for you when I read your post!

ClutchingMyAnalBeads · 05/10/2022 17:09

I’m sorry to be brutal, but I care too much about literature. Great literature is a serious and sacred thing. To me, it’s more important than religion

To me, deciding on a new duvet cover is more important than religion. So I'm not sure that your lofty pronouncement is terribly meaningful.

BTW, I'm a writer and an obsessive reader. I don't write pretentious twaddle, though, and try not to read it unless it's on MN threads.

Doingprettywellthanks · 05/10/2022 17:10

But I remember you from a very sad thread last month @Suetwo , which might explain your stance and I would say to other posters not to pile on

WiddlinDiddlin · 05/10/2022 17:14

I think you have some husband/marriage issues that need to be separated from writing/reading/novel issues...

As lots of others have said, proof reading or beta reading a loved ones work is incredibly difficult ground to negotiate - the chances that what you're writing are something he actually has an interest in reading, any prior knowledge of the genre or time period, are really low.

He should realise that the chances of him saying the wrong thing are very high and so would be reluctant to offer much.

It really is better not to ask people directly to read - offer it, in a way that allows them to take up that offer or not, without pressure (ideally offering to a group of people not just one person), and ideally make that offer to people with an interest in reading new novels/stories/authors.

Even then, the opinions and ideas of non-professionals are going to be of limited value.

Fiction is tough, I struggle massively and it is not my field, I don't get paid for it - you need to have such courage and conviction that your story is GREAT, that your plot is interesting, your characters solid and believable, that it tends to amount to a certain sort of arrogance. Most creative minded types have not got that and we seek validation and confidence from others... and they will let us down.

You also need, to do well at it, to be able to take criticism and make it useful and not be upset by it - and again thats not something that is easy for many people!

I agree with people saying you need to cut down what you see as being a complete novel - break it down into smaller chunks, even very popular sagas go off the boil rather easily if they're just too long (Jean Auel anyone!).

As for someone picking on typing styles and stating the use of text speak like LOL on a forum meaning another poster can't be a professional writer... AHAHAHAHA...shows what you know numptybum! I use LOL and ROFL and forget to hit capslock all the time, fill my posts with typo's and I am currently earning a nice amount monthly from my book and other freelance writing work!

Ahtoottoot · 05/10/2022 20:19

mam0918 · 05/10/2022 13:58

Ive worked in the writing industry as posted earlier.

I use 'lol' on forums, where I am posting quickly.

No one is writting reviewed essays and novels to respond to mumsnet questions. The two things are not remotely linked and your comment is snobby.

If you say so!

Rubiesue · 06/10/2022 08:05

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Doingprettywellthanks · 06/10/2022 08:41

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LOL LOL LOL

Sounds just like something a very established author would write

Rubiesue · 06/10/2022 08:58

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FleeUpFreeTime · 06/10/2022 09:13

Does he like to read the genre of books you’re writing? I couldn’t bear to read romance novels and say ‘it’s good’ but if it was a thriller/horror I’d be going on and on about it

SleeplessInEngland · 06/10/2022 10:20

Have you taken on board the advice about word count, OP? Because 4,500 words for a single debut novel makes it about as long as the Lord of the Rings trilogy. No agent or publishing house would entertain that from a first time writer.

ReneBumsWombats · 06/10/2022 10:30

SleeplessInEngland · 06/10/2022 10:20

Have you taken on board the advice about word count, OP? Because 4,500 words for a single debut novel makes it about as long as the Lord of the Rings trilogy. No agent or publishing house would entertain that from a first time writer.

Typo 😉

Gone With the Wind is 418,000 words long.

SleeplessInEngland · 06/10/2022 10:34

ReneBumsWombats · 06/10/2022 10:30

Typo 😉

Gone With the Wind is 418,000 words long.

Yes, that typo makes quite a difference!

But I think the point stands. Though I would be curious to know if any other debut novels at almost half a million words have been published in the last 10 years (not to mentioned been successful).

EmotionalSupportLynel · 06/10/2022 10:43

I can't think of any debuts that long recently. OP, posters here are right that you should seek professional editing but also be realistic - if you want to get a 450k book edited you're talking 4-5k just for the proofreading and copy editing stage. If you want a full developmental edit even more. I am a copy editor and it would probably be around 2-3 months of work (I do a standard 90k book in around a fortnight) so a massive outlay. It would be much better for you to concentrate on the first book in the saga, get it down to 100k at most then get it edited.

Nineeuros · 06/10/2022 14:31

Hello OP,

maybe consider entering this:

www.curtisbrowncreative.co.uk/discoveries-2023

I haven’t checked the t’s and c’s, but might suit you.

marvik · 06/10/2022 15:47

If you have a creative itch, why not write short stories? They can be published in magazines and anthologies.

Short stories are particularly hard to write well...

ReneBumsWombats · 06/10/2022 16:43

marvik · 06/10/2022 15:47

If you have a creative itch, why not write short stories? They can be published in magazines and anthologies.

Short stories are particularly hard to write well...

And there really isn't much market for them.