Return of women who were right about safeguarding

[RhannionKPSS]

AIBU to think Mumsnet should allow women ( & men ) who were right about lack of safeguarding in certain places back on this site? ( if they wish to return) ?

@Giggorata after lurking here for years I finally set up a Twitter account last week so I could follow threads properly.
The tweets and videos coming from Iran are truly eye-opening.

Have been reading about this on Twitter (after reading this thread), unbelievable!

Have to admit to being a bit in the dark about all of this.

I’ve read JKR post on Twitter and yet still the Twitter vipers come out to play.

I'm actually surprised that even this thread is still in AIBU and hasn't been shoved to the naughty corner <yet>.

Topics which impact women should be allowed anywhere on a women's forum.

Same for me. A heart felt thank you!

I think they should be unbanned but I doubt they would return. They will have found a different and safer home already. It really was shameful of a parenting site to ban posters who actively cared about children (in a non sexual way).

Has anyone mentioned the TRA handmaidens? I think the loud, aggressive women who support this dangerous and predatory ideology have been a very significant influence on MN, remember the MN intern who doxxed so many posters and got nothing more than a slapped wrist.

I hope one day very soon we won't be banned for misgendering an adult.
I don't think it's impolite to correctly note the sex of an individual adult. It's essential for safeguarding women and children.
Yet we are not allowed to do it, on a forum for women and by default children and safeguarding....

A definite YES from me, though I too doubt they will return. It's our loss 😢

Are you serious.
An intern doxxing people?
How on earth did this become public knowledge?

What has happened to MN in terms of sanctions by the ICO, because that is a serious, serious breach and needs to have been reported.

Good bloody god.

Absolutely shocking in light of Forstater, and the recent Bailey tribunal that they actually do this.

That they can actually do this.

There will be somebody who remembers the series of events better than me. I was quite new to FWR at the time.

Oh my God, did that really happen?
No one keeps their job after that surely?

Sorry Prunes we posted at the same time.

And also- although this isn't in MN's scope - women who have lost jobs for speaking out with their safeguarding concerns should have the dismissal quashed.

Yep.

The TRA lot are not safeguarding and quite the opposite. Damaging children. The women who called out the TRA, Mermaids etc were correct all along. Scary what some people will think is ok to do to children, abuse and should be called out.

On one of the links it also says about how children were discussing going on to a less secure site so they could talk about taking drugs/hormones - again this is not mermaids doing.

Just so we are absolutely clear, this link talks about a specific post where a mod cheered on the suggestion that some children in the Youth Forum set up their own discord server (they just couldn’t reference Mermaids). Discussion about taking drugs/hormones was still rampant within the Youth Forum with moderators turning a blind eye. This evidence has been sent to the Charities Commission.

Thread about MN data breach

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/3225517-The-MNHQ-Moderation-team?page=1

Hopefully the tide is turning.

And I suppose, you have to give credit to mn for attempting to still allow some discussion. Although I appreciate I dont know any of the history of banned posters

I was banned from a different parenting site for refusing to stop posting about women's rights. They viewed anything that was pro biological women as an attack on Trams rights. There was a strong contingent of women / and (alleged) trans parents who reported every single comment they viewed as transphobic to the point nothing could be discussed until several posters were banned

I've not been back since but I doubt it's improved.

There is (quite rightly) an absolute furore in the media atm about online safety for children. Yet all this time there has been this massive elephant in the room.

Absolutely. Let John the Baptist back, while they're at it. And the dead canary.

@BitossiBlues your comment is the best thing I’ve read in over a decade on mumsnet. In case anyone missed it:

‘This is essentially what LangCleg was banned. She directly communicated with MN that the policing of women's language in this way was a form of coercive control. When she wouldn't back down, they banned her.

This was before the Forstater case that confirmed in law that being gender critical beliefs are worthy of respect in a democratic society, and protected as a belief under the Equality Act. And before the cases brought by a number of brave women against the Tavistock Gender Clinic - which of course is now to be shut down because it is not fit for purpose.

LangCleg was always ahead of the game. Sadly, MN, whilst providing one of the few spaces in the early days of gender criticism to discuss the matter, have not always been brave enough to be seen as in any way as en par with the likes of Maya Forstater or organisations like Safe Schools Alliance. MN has always bowed to pressure. The breaking of the FWR board being the nadir of cowardice.

Against all evidence to the contrary, a group of posters claimed they were put off from posting on FWR because there was too much talk about gender politics. Despite there being a number of threads about all topics concerning women/feminism, not just gender politics. No amount of logic would appease them. Nobody can stop anybody starting a thread on any topic or discussing what they want to discuss. Oh no, they said, then you won't post on my thread, and that's not fair, you'd rather post about gender. But, don't you think that's a sign that you cannot separate feminism from the gender politics trampling all over women's hard won rights and boundaries. Oh no, they said, we can't possibly be exposed to you banging on about genitals all the time, it puts us off from starting threads about all the good feminist stuff that is not effected whatsoever by sex and gender. Blah, blah, blah. So they got their way and the board was severed in 2. They got "Feminist Chat", we got "Feminism Sex and Gender" or the naughty corner, where any thread started anywhere else on MN about the incursions of TRAs on women and children's safety and dignity is shoved in the hope it will disappear into obscurity.

And Feminist Chat? Well, the biggest gobs who got FWR separated didn't come back to start all their lovely gender free threads. Half of what is on there are threads about sex and gender. The place is virtual tumbleweeds. The schism was a complete waste of a once flourishing community of women sharing knowledge, strength and support in the face of the biggest threat to women's rights in 100 years. The people who clamoured for it - who will be reading this thread - should feel thoroughly ashamed of themselves.’

amen.

Jesus I had no idea that happened. Bloody hell. Everyday a new nightmare. Just reading about a priest wife being arrested for comments made online. What the actual fucking fuck is happening?

YANBU

Yes, the children were told not to mention Mermaids.

Mermaids encourages children having secrets from their parents. This is evidenced by:

1. Breast binders being sent to teenagers without their parents' knowledge or consent, even though the physical dangers associated with these devices are well known;

1. Lightly moderating a forum for teenagers to discuss trans issues, where parents are not allowed to see the contents and then encouraging the teenagers to move the discussion to Discord (where there is even less oversight);

1. Bringing in lawyers to explain to 16- and 17-year-olds how they can change their names by deed poll behind their parents' back.

Anyone with the barest understanding of safeguarding will know how bad this is.

There are many very knowledgeable women, experts in the field of safeguarding and child protection, psychologists, social workers and HCPs who have been raising the alarm about the systematic and institutional undermining of safeguarding for the last few years. They have been deleted and banned

Why on earth were they deleted and banned? It is perfectly acceptable to express a view that others do not agree with, as long as you don't incite harm to others. Although MN does choose odd posts to delete at times based on feelz not actual harm (not just in the area of gender criticism). But actually banning a poster is another level.

The sheer organisation behind the TRA's is terrifying.

While the tide is turning in some ways, it's doubling down in others - just look at the Police. The misogyny that's at the root of this won't go away easily, and they've found a great way to get handmaidens - 'be kind'.

MN's was wrong, they ought to be grownups and say so.

a group of posters claimed they were put off from posting on FWR because there was too much talk about gender politics. Despite there being a number of threads about all topics concerning women/feminism, not just gender politics

Oh well that's nothing unusual, all the covid threads had to be hidden away, all the Brexit threads had to be hidden away because people are incapable of scrolling by. Ridiculous in my view.