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To wonder when the UK government plan to revisit the dangerous dogs act?

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EbbyEbs · 04/10/2022 17:56

Woman killed by American Bulldogs.

This is just another victim to add to the list of dog fatalities in recent years - yet another American Bulldog.

Britain must have one of the most pathetic dog regulations in the world - only 3 breeds in the list and two of those breeds most people have never heard of.

When will the government do something?? How many more people need to die?

And it’s not just about banning breeds - they need to tighten up the laws in owning dogs in the first place.

Many states in America have tight regulations around many breeds common in the UK including Shar Pei, Rhodesian Ridgebacks, Dobermann and even German shepherds.

AIBU to think Britain needs to wake up to the dangers of irresponsible dog ownership?

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Blaise19 · 05/10/2022 08:58

My (neutered) boy dog is a rescue staffie x whippet, and is an absolute sweetheart. He came to me at under a year old and, having had some quite demanding dogs in the past, I was red hot on his training. As a result he was a really well-socialised dog, who also attended doggy daycare once a week where he mixed with loads of dogs, from tiny ones to huge ones.

A few months ago, when he was on the lead in an indoor environment that welcomed dogs, he was attacked by a King Charles Cavalier (I kid you not!) which was also on a lead, but very strong (the owner couldn't hold him). Since then my boy has become the snarling staffie stereotype when he meets other dogs on the lead - I am beyond upset. Naturally, I am doing some very specific retraining, with the help of my doggy daycare people.

So, there is often another side to the tabloid stories. It's also worth remembering (sorry if it's been mentioned already upthread) that dogs who are aggressive towards other dogs are rarely aggressive towards people - it's an entirely different mindset.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 09:06

skedaddler · 05/10/2022 06:42

Not a lot. I'm sure there are thousands of people who have had seizures and their dogs have been fine

Sorry I should have said a lot of those killed. Although I think it's safe to say one human life is too many.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 09:07

Ylvamoon · 05/10/2022 06:54

It's just intolerable. Not to mention dogs shitting and pissing everywhere which is treated as just 🤷‍♀️ I think it's vile

Yeh just like neighbours cat that keeps shitting in my front garden... but it's a cat so it's allowed!

Also shit and shouldn't be allowed. A pet should be something you keep on your own property imo.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 09:10

@Addicted2LoveIsland

Unfortunately, it is clear from you previous post you have issues with dogs due to feeling neglected by your mother and her love of her animals over you (by your implication). Hence, there will be no reasoning with you, only " get them out of my sight". Targeting and erasing all dogs won't make how you feel about what happened with your mother any better and erasing them from the planet won't heal how you feel about her or your situation. I feel sorry for you as this has clearly scarred you.

Your inference not my implication. She absolutely didn't love them more than me what bollocks. How dare you. She certainly prioritised them over herself though, to her detriment. And certainly I am scarred by her suicide but I don't blame her pets. I comforted them and saw

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 09:12

...saw them all safely rehomed as was my duty to her and to them. Honestly what a tarradiddle, do you have an overactive imagination?

I dislike dogs because two of them chased me across a playing field when I was 4, barking and snarling and absolutely terrorising me. My experience of them since has done nothing to eliminate my impression that they are smelly dirty unpredictable liabilities. Nothing to do with mummy not loving me enough. Jesus.

Addicted2LoveIsland · 05/10/2022 09:17

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 09:12

...saw them all safely rehomed as was my duty to her and to them. Honestly what a tarradiddle, do you have an overactive imagination?

I dislike dogs because two of them chased me across a playing field when I was 4, barking and snarling and absolutely terrorising me. My experience of them since has done nothing to eliminate my impression that they are smelly dirty unpredictable liabilities. Nothing to do with mummy not loving me enough. Jesus.

I am only translating how your post came across. Relax.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 09:19

Addicted2LoveIsland · 05/10/2022 07:03

Given the consequences the onus also has to be on the parent. Parents are also out in public with their children and need to take responsibility. Are you honestly saying that in the situation I have outlined that as soon as I saw the woman coming I should have gotten up and moved? No, she should have been managing her children better.

Also let's face it a bite/nip is massively different from an ATTACK.

Unfortunately, it is clear from you previous post you have issues with dogs due to feeling neglected by your mother and her love of her animals over you (by your implication). Hence, there will be no reasoning with you, only " get them out of my sight". Targeting and erasing all dogs won't make how you feel about what happened with your mother any better and erasing them from the planet won't heal how you feel about her or your situation. I feel sorry for you as this has clearly scarred you.

Pls note, we are not talking about guns here, we are talking about sentient beings - feel free to do your research.Of course it matters if there is a small number out of a much larger one. Life is often about managing risk. 1560 road deaths in 2021. I suppose you now want to ban roads/vehicles? It's such a non-point.

For others saying regulate breeding - yes it should be and actually there are laws regarding breeding and sale as well as best practice. However, there are ways backyard breeders and how can you monitor this in the whole of the UK. In addition, those who mentioned dogs that were used as breeding machines flipped and attacked - this is bad treatment by humans. There is a danger of punishing dogs due to human ignorance and irresponsibility.

I do wish you would do what your screen name says. It would be the most helpful thing here.

Also at least one of the people killed by dogs on the Wiki list was "just" bitten and subsequently died of septicaemia. They are filthy creatures.

Lovenne · 05/10/2022 09:20

I shouldn't have to teach my kid what an unhappy dog looks like - we don't have one, she'd never approach one, she's been taught to stand still with her hands down if one approaches her - if people minded their dogs properly there should never be an occasion that she was in touching distance of one. But they don't.

I'm talking about on-lead dogs minding their own business though, or trained dogs simply playing fetch in a field who are approached by the child. Some parents do not teach their child not to approach random animals, be they cats or dogs. Like the PP who said their dog was playing, they recalled their trained dog to them, and a random child ran up to her dog and tried to kick it.

Or day an on-lead dog sitting by a bench next to their owner, minding their own business, when a child lumbers over to grab it's ears.

If you're not a parent who allows their child to do these types of things, and who has control of your child, then it didn't apply to you.

My DD, whether we have a dog or not, comes into contact with dogs every day on the streets of London or in the many parks or with family members.

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 09:22

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 09:19

Also at least one of the people killed by dogs on the Wiki list was "just" bitten and subsequently died of septicaemia. They are filthy creatures.

Also re cars - I would definitely like to see their use significantly curtailed except in case of need e.g. rural areas, disabilities, and improve and cheapen public transport infrastructures instead. But as it stands cars and roads play an important part in keeping society functioning. Dogs do not. So yours is a non-point.

Sentient beings? Unless you are a vegan and animal rights activist you are being highly selective about the privileges you accord sentient beings to run amok and kill humans.

Addicted2LoveIsland · 05/10/2022 09:22

XenoBitch · 05/10/2022 04:35

Do you have some solid statistics on this?

@XenoBitch anyone who quotes Wikipedia can't be taken seriously

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 09:24

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MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 09:26

Weaponising someone's tragically dead relative against them in an argument is ... Well I guess it's what certain types of people do if they're anonymous. Have a word with yourself.

Lovenne · 05/10/2022 09:27

My child doesn't own a cat, I still teach her how to know a cat is nervous or unhappy, because they are out and about in the street and I won't always be with her, so I best teach her how best to approach one if she wants to stroke it (stay away, crouch low, offer out hand, kissy noises haha, let the cat come to you, don't grab them or try and pick them up, if the cat walks away let it go, don't corner them etc, signs the cat not happy with you).

Same with dogs. Of course if an out of control dog approached her that's not on my child, but it's absolutely on my child if she is the one uncontrolled and she scared or hurts someone's pet. We have been to stables before, and it was my responsibility to make sure she did not upset the horses.

None of this is applicable to the type of dog that would run up and maul a child, obviously.

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Yeah, 4 year old me totally deserved it 🧐 like I said, practically inhuman.

Addicted2LoveIsland · 05/10/2022 09:27

Lovenne · 05/10/2022 09:20

I shouldn't have to teach my kid what an unhappy dog looks like - we don't have one, she'd never approach one, she's been taught to stand still with her hands down if one approaches her - if people minded their dogs properly there should never be an occasion that she was in touching distance of one. But they don't.

I'm talking about on-lead dogs minding their own business though, or trained dogs simply playing fetch in a field who are approached by the child. Some parents do not teach their child not to approach random animals, be they cats or dogs. Like the PP who said their dog was playing, they recalled their trained dog to them, and a random child ran up to her dog and tried to kick it.

Or day an on-lead dog sitting by a bench next to their owner, minding their own business, when a child lumbers over to grab it's ears.

If you're not a parent who allows their child to do these types of things, and who has control of your child, then it didn't apply to you.

My DD, whether we have a dog or not, comes into contact with dogs every day on the streets of London or in the many parks or with family members.

^This^

Flapjacker48 · 05/10/2022 09:29

"XL Bullies" should be banned.

Addicted2LoveIsland · 05/10/2022 09:35

skedaddler · 05/10/2022 06:42

Not a lot. I'm sure there are thousands of people who have had seizures and their dogs have been fine

Yes exactly like assistance dogs.

Wheredoallthepensgo · 05/10/2022 09:40

ChelseaRobertsofMalibu · 04/10/2022 23:54

@bloodyplanes If you have to resort to name calling then your point is entirely lost! Any vet on the planet will tell you what I've just said

Uk Staffordshire bull terriers are not the same as American pitbulls. Or American bulldog.

superplumb · 05/10/2022 09:41

Nidan2Sandan · 04/10/2022 19:46

It should be regulated that dogs are insured and given a vet check up yearly. Bit like insurance and servicing for cars.

It should also be a requirement to have a licence to own dog breeds over a certain weight, and the fee for that licence should be hefty, at least £150‐£200. More for breeds known to be the most dangerous like bullys for example.

It should also be outright illegal to have a dog outside, and not on a lead except for in specified dog parks.

I also think dogs need to be named on home insurance.

Agree totally with this. Where I live people have off lead dogs around kids play parks. Makes me cross. I'm not sure how the licence can be enforced though. Criminals wont bother, like the ones who drive with no licence.

superplumb · 05/10/2022 09:47

ObjectionSustained · 05/10/2022 01:37

@DdraigGoch It's up to the cat owner to ensure that their cat doesn't get itself in to danger.

The dog owner shouldn't have to worry about another persons animal.

Agree. It's in many dogs instincts to chase small furry animals. I grew up with airdale terriers....many terriers have hunting in their DNA
I'm not an expert but I cant see how training this would stop a dog chasing a cat.
If I had a cat and lived next door to any dog at all, I'd be cat proofing my own garden. It would be my cat and my responsibility to keep it safe.

Alexandra2001 · 05/10/2022 09:56

Florenz · 04/10/2022 18:17

It shouldn't be a matter of banning dogs, all dogs should be banned unless specifically approved, dog license should be required and you should have to pass a test to get one. And an additional test to own more than one dog. Every dog should be registered to an owner and any injuries or killings committed by the dog should be treated as if they were committed by the owner.

We have clashed so many times over a very long period BUT on this, i 10000% agree with you.

Dog ownership should be considered a privilege not a right, with training and licencing compulsory.

BBBBMushroom · 05/10/2022 09:59

Too many personal anecdotes on threads about dogs it’s always the same.

I think licences for dogs to fund dog wardens and clean ups and licences based on size of dog. Points system a bit like a driving licence and time up at some point if they are a biter or regular nuisance. If you are found to have no licence the dog is removed. People will complain it penalises the poor who may not be able to afford a licence, life is always unfair.

Loopyloopy · 05/10/2022 10:00

superplumb · 05/10/2022 09:47

Agree. It's in many dogs instincts to chase small furry animals. I grew up with airdale terriers....many terriers have hunting in their DNA
I'm not an expert but I cant see how training this would stop a dog chasing a cat.
If I had a cat and lived next door to any dog at all, I'd be cat proofing my own garden. It would be my cat and my responsibility to keep it safe.

Agree. Trying to extinguish prey drive is usually cruel and unsuccessful.

Loopyloopy · 05/10/2022 10:03

Alexandra2001 · 05/10/2022 09:56

We have clashed so many times over a very long period BUT on this, i 10000% agree with you.

Dog ownership should be considered a privilege not a right, with training and licencing compulsory.

Great Let's ban anything joyful or fun. That should keep people safe.

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