Page 10 | To wonder when the UK government plan to revisit the dangerous dogs act?

EbbyEbs · 2022-10-04T16:56:35+00:00

Woman killed by American Bulldogs. This is just another victim to add to the list of dog fatalities in recent years - yet another American Bulldog. Britain must have one of the most pathetic dog regulations in the world - only 3 breeds in the list and two of those breeds most people have never heard of. When will the government do something?? How many more people need to die? And it’s not just about banning breeds - they need to tighten up the laws in owning dogs in the first place. Many states in America have tight regulations around many breeds common in the UK including Shar Pei, Rhodesian Ridgebacks, Dobermann and even German shepherds. AIBU to think Britain needs to wake up to the dangers of irresponsible dog ownership?

XenoBitch · 05/10/2022 04:15

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 04:13

I shouldn't have to teach my kid what an unhappy dog looks like - we don't have one, she'd never approach one, she's been taught to stand still with her hands down if one approaches her - if people minded their dogs properly there should never be an occasion that she was in touching distance of one. But they don't.

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My comment was more aimed at people who have both dogs and kids.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 04:17

XenoBitch · 05/10/2022 04:15

My comment was more aimed at people who have both dogs and kids.

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Well then yes, obviously that would be sensible. Wouldn't stop the small babies being dragged out of their baskets and mauled to death though.

LetMeSpeak · 05/10/2022 04:18

Staffies really aren’t dangerous. They are one of the most popular dog breeds. Per capita the stars really aren’t bad. The American bulldog XL however looks like a sub that had been bread too cause harm to others. They need to be banned and owners need to be fined as well because they are purposefully are putting others in danger.

XenoBitch · 05/10/2022 04:34

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 04:07

I'm very glad to hear you have good MH support. It's so very often shite (as in my mum's case, there was an investigation into her care that found serious failings). And I wouldn't want to take something away from you that gives you solace. But as a parent I have had to defend my kids from our of control dogs so often, I read stories like this one in the press and literally lie awake sometimes thinking "what if that encounter had gone the other way?'. It's a real, real problem and people get entrenched in extreme positions. My priority is protecting my kids. And I just find it mad that literally anyone can own something as dangerous as a dog and face no scrutiny or restrictions on ownership until it actually harms someone. There's so many things I can teach my children. So many ways I can protect them. But unless we never leave the house, a dog can run up and attack them any time, anywhere, and there would be almost nothing I could do. The number of occasions I've had to scream for owners several meters away to get their dogs under control as they corner/growl at/jump up at me and my children out of literally nowhere - well you wouldn't believe me because you are a dog person. When you don't like dogs, when you don't have that "aww" reaction to them, it's bloody terrifying.

My kids, btw, would NEVER approach a dog, on lead or not. I mean the toddler is not always obedient, but the second I see a dog without a lead I pick her up immediately anyway because of the number of times she and her sister have been jumped up at. My 5yo has not picked up my fear at all, but she knows to stand still with her arms at her sides when approached by any dog. But this slightly gives me the rage because no dog should ever be in a position to approach us, we don't want anything to do with them because they are potentially dangerous - but we can't avoid them because people let them off lead and don't recall them when they run up to us because "they're friendly, they just want t say hello, blah blah" or they just aren't paying any attention. I shouldn't have to deal with that situation because people should bloody control their dogs. If they did with any kind of regularity I'd be a lot less militant I'm sure. But I am SICK of it.

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I am not a parent, but I have had to still defend my own adult ass from out of control dogs too. I was bitten by a tiny Yorkshire terrier... because he "hated cyclists".. I was on a bike and both me and the dog/owners were on a cycle path. Owners totally at fault.
Even now, I cycle along a cycle path and get told to be careful because some dog hates cyclists. It baffles me tbh... if your dog does not like people on bikes then don't take them for a walk on a sodding cycle path! They are never on leads either.

You are right... no dog should be approaching your kids. Any decent dog owner should have control of their dog.
My own dog has been attacked and harassed from out of control dogs. There are some fields local to me that she will not walk in, because she remembers the out of control dogs coming at her.

Some dog owners are also total cunts. Years ago , I was walking my mum's dog at her local field. Some chap let his JRT loose, and it attacked her. What did he do? He came over with his staffie, and let it loose on my mum's dog too. Totally on purpose. There were people hanging out the windows cheering his dogs on. I had the dog on a lead... I let it go.... I had to, otherwise she would have been torn to pieces and killed. She ran home, bleeding and battered.
We called the dog warden.... owner denied everything, and of course all the asshole neighbours said they did not see a thing. Dog warden also said that the owner had his dogs for MH reasons, so nothing could be done.
Still boils my piss to this day.

Point is, there are a lot of cunt dog owners, and there are the ones in the press. Dogs in the UK are owned in the millions, and you do not hear about them because they are good girls/boys.

XenoBitch · 05/10/2022 04:35

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 04:17

Well then yes, obviously that would be sensible. Wouldn't stop the small babies being dragged out of their baskets and mauled to death though.

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Do you have some solid statistics on this?

garlictwist · 05/10/2022 04:40

I do think that dog ownership is out of control and mismanaged in this country.

I go running or cycling in the woods behind my house most morning and every day without fail I am chased by a dog. People can't control their animals and, if the dog has shit recall, it should be on a lead.

Every day I see professional dog walkers with six or so dogs that are totally out of control. How is this allowed?! One person cannot possibly manage so many dogs. The car park to the woods is filled with vans full of dogs meaning there are literally packs of dogs on the go at any one time.

It never used to be like this. Sometimes I feel the world is whit overtaken by dogs and I can't go anywhere.

PurplRainDancer · 05/10/2022 04:42

Unforgettablefire · 04/10/2022 21:04

@CaptainBarbosa sorry to hear that about your dc. Little dogs can be landsharks definitely!
Your dog sounds adorable. I love mastiffs big snuffly cuddle monsters!

I love mastiffs big snuffly cuddle monsters!

Until they’re not.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 04:51

XenoBitch · 05/10/2022 04:35

Do you have some solid statistics on this?

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fatal_dog_attacks_in_the_United_Kingdom

Already posted here but God it's heartbreaking. So many tiny babies. Although to be honest at least they probably died quickly - even more horrifying are the toddlers/small children who "later died in hospital". Thinking about what they would have suffered makes me genuinely sick.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 04:51

Seems like epilepsy a real risk factor too - a lot of people's dogs turned on them while they were having seizures.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 04:54

XenoBitch · 05/10/2022 04:34

I am not a parent, but I have had to still defend my own adult ass from out of control dogs too. I was bitten by a tiny Yorkshire terrier... because he "hated cyclists".. I was on a bike and both me and the dog/owners were on a cycle path. Owners totally at fault.
Even now, I cycle along a cycle path and get told to be careful because some dog hates cyclists. It baffles me tbh... if your dog does not like people on bikes then don't take them for a walk on a sodding cycle path! They are never on leads either.

You are right... no dog should be approaching your kids. Any decent dog owner should have control of their dog.
My own dog has been attacked and harassed from out of control dogs. There are some fields local to me that she will not walk in, because she remembers the out of control dogs coming at her.

Some dog owners are also total cunts. Years ago , I was walking my mum's dog at her local field. Some chap let his JRT loose, and it attacked her. What did he do? He came over with his staffie, and let it loose on my mum's dog too. Totally on purpose. There were people hanging out the windows cheering his dogs on. I had the dog on a lead... I let it go.... I had to, otherwise she would have been torn to pieces and killed. She ran home, bleeding and battered.
We called the dog warden.... owner denied everything, and of course all the asshole neighbours said they did not see a thing. Dog warden also said that the owner had his dogs for MH reasons, so nothing could be done.
Still boils my piss to this day.

Point is, there are a lot of cunt dog owners, and there are the ones in the press. Dogs in the UK are owned in the millions, and you do not hear about them because they are good girls/boys.

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So because there are good dogs I have to put up with more or less perpetual fear that one of the MANY dogs that approach us off lead uninvited may turn out to be one of the bad ones?

It's just intolerable. Not to mention dogs shitting and pissing everywhere which is treated as just 🤷‍♀️ I think it's vile.

XenoBitch · 05/10/2022 04:56

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 04:54

So because there are good dogs I have to put up with more or less perpetual fear that one of the MANY dogs that approach us off lead uninvited may turn out to be one of the bad ones?

It's just intolerable. Not to mention dogs shitting and pissing everywhere which is treated as just 🤷‍♀️ I think it's vile.

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There are tons of good dogs...and you wont notice them because you are switched on to the bad ones.

I can't clean up after my dog pissing... sorry for that.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 05:05

But what on earth does it matter to me if there are good ones? The bad ones are the ones causing me bother. And there are lots of them. Doesn't matter if they're a small proportion of a much larger number.

XenoBitch · 05/10/2022 05:08

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 05:05

But what on earth does it matter to me if there are good ones? The bad ones are the ones causing me bother. And there are lots of them. Doesn't matter if they're a small proportion of a much larger number.

Then you deal with the ones that are bothering you. What do you have to gain by complaining about the ones that are doing nothing wrong?
And this is something that can be applied to lots of things, not just dogs.

user1477391263 · 05/10/2022 05:09

I think the big issue with these dogs is the way they clog up shelters. Most people don't want these dogs, and they are bloody everywhere due to irresponsible owners breeding them.

Imagine if shelters euthanized the bull terriers and bull terrier mixes (and other dogs which few people are likely to want), and focused their resources on caring for and rehoming the greatly reduced number of dogs left--being ones which have a good chance of being a wanted pet for someone.

Dogs in shelters would have more space and better resources while in the shelter, and a better chance of a proper home as well.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 05:19

XenoBitch · 05/10/2022 05:08

Then you deal with the ones that are bothering you. What do you have to gain by complaining about the ones that are doing nothing wrong?
And this is something that can be applied to lots of things, not just dogs.

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How can I "deal with" a dog attacking my children? I cant. Because I don't know until after it happens whether it's going to do it or not. By which point it will be too late.

Seriously what an odd comment.

notyetpregnant · 05/10/2022 05:20

Sarahconnor1 · 04/10/2022 19:48

The profiting from the sale of animals needs to be made illegal. That way you shut down both the puppy farming industry and the back yard breeders overnight.

There is an XL bully breeder advertising in the same street where this lady was killed.

I doubt it's a coincidence

I saw a lot of speculation about the 5 dogs used in this attack being used for breeding. Assuming this is true it does paint a picture of irresponsible owners churning out puppies for profit- which is precisely the issue here.

The sudden rise in deaths by XL bullies is surely down to their sudden rise in popularity which means there are now many, many of these dogs in the hands of unsuitable owners.

I love dogs and have a large muscular breed, which in the wrong hands would certainly be a recipe for disaster. But as a responsible owner I am able to keep him and others safe. The real issue is unsuitable and irresponsible dog owners.

XenoBitch · 05/10/2022 05:24

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 05:19

How can I "deal with" a dog attacking my children? I cant. Because I don't know until after it happens whether it's going to do it or not. By which point it will be too late.

Seriously what an odd comment.

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There is no reasoning with you because you are so anti-dog.

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 05:42

XenoBitch · 05/10/2022 05:24

There is no reasoning with you because you are so anti-dog.

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Otherwise known as "I have no answer to that question."

skedaddler · 05/10/2022 06:42

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 04:51

Seems like epilepsy a real risk factor too - a lot of people's dogs turned on them while they were having seizures.

Not a lot. I'm sure there are thousands of people who have had seizures and their dogs have been fine

Ylvamoon · 05/10/2022 06:54

It's just intolerable. Not to mention dogs shitting and pissing everywhere which is treated as just 🤷‍♀️ I think it's vile

Yeh just like neighbours cat that keeps shitting in my front garden... but it's a cat so it's allowed!

Addicted2LoveIsland · 05/10/2022 07:03

MaybeIWillFuckOffThen · 05/10/2022 02:18

Obviously that's bad parenting and bad behaviour. But given the consequences for the child (if they did this to a big dangerous breed) could easily be death, and given we can't ban either children or bad parents, surely the sensible thing would be for the dog not to be exposed to the child? Just as, in an ideal world, a child encountering a gun would leave it alone but lots of them might just pick it up and play with it - the sensible thing, surely, is to prohibit or severely limit gun ownership and put the owners on the gun owner to ensure their gun does not come into contact with children?

Personally my thought is - you are the one out in public with a dog. Why don't you protect it by keeping it away from the children? At which point it becomes that age old argument between dog people and other people as to who has more rights to public space, human children or dogs. You can guess where I would fall in that debate!

From my perspective, any adult who approaches a dog (like any adult who owns a dog) has accepted the risk they are taking.

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Given the consequences the onus also has to be on the parent. Parents are also out in public with their children and need to take responsibility. Are you honestly saying that in the situation I have outlined that as soon as I saw the woman coming I should have gotten up and moved? No, she should have been managing her children better.

Also let's face it a bite/nip is massively different from an ATTACK.

Unfortunately, it is clear from you previous post you have issues with dogs due to feeling neglected by your mother and her love of her animals over you (by your implication). Hence, there will be no reasoning with you, only " get them out of my sight". Targeting and erasing all dogs won't make how you feel about what happened with your mother any better and erasing them from the planet won't heal how you feel about her or your situation. I feel sorry for you as this has clearly scarred you.

Pls note, we are not talking about guns here, we are talking about sentient beings - feel free to do your research.Of course it matters if there is a small number out of a much larger one. Life is often about managing risk. 1560 road deaths in 2021. I suppose you now want to ban roads/vehicles? It's such a non-point.

For others saying regulate breeding - yes it should be and actually there are laws regarding breeding and sale as well as best practice. However, there are ways backyard breeders and how can you monitor this in the whole of the UK. In addition, those who mentioned dogs that were used as breeding machines flipped and attacked - this is bad treatment by humans. There is a danger of punishing dogs due to human ignorance and irresponsibility.

I do wish you would do what your screen name says. It would be the most helpful thing here.

Roselilly36 · 05/10/2022 07:06

Yes I agree legislation needs to change, I could never understand why dog licences were abolished, I can remember my parents buying one I assume from the post office in the late 70’s. I think they were abolished in the 80’s.

I note yesterday in my local rag, a lady was prosecuted for breeding dogs unlicensed, fines & costs came to about £10k, so local authorities are taking this kind of thing seriously, thank goodness as so many dogs & cats end up in the care of animal charities.

Iknowforsure1 · 05/10/2022 07:25

I don’t feel safe. And I’m a dog lover. Tired of pathetic excuses people do. Every dog bites… yeah right, but not every dog has a potential to kill so quickly, not every dog is genetically bred to attack. There are dogs more dangerous than others due to genetics, size and strength and it’s too difficult to regulate owner’s behaviours.

wheresmymojo · 05/10/2022 07:26

RobynsCoffeeSuede · 04/10/2022 19:30

my dog would kill a cat if it came in its garden. It's private property. It doesn't make a dog aggressive to humans at all. I clap my hands when I let him out but there's not much else I can do , it's his garden.

So would my GS, I think. However, he's never been able to get at a cat for us to know this for sure. We only walk him on a harness and a muzzle and he's only allowed off-lead in the garden or in a field we rent out. We did take him to training classes and he was fine with dogs at first, but then was attacked by a JRT and now just seems to hates other animals. Loves any people, so affectionate and loving and ernest with people, a completely different dog with animals, think he sees them as a threat/danger.

We don't tend to get cats in our garden because any that have ever come in just get chased straight out again. If I notice a cat is on our conservatory roof while he's in the garden, I will take him back inside and let the cat go on its way, or simply hold his collar and shoo said cat out of my garden, but it's very rare that this happens.

Lots of dogs aren't cat friendly. Used to have a dog who was absolutely fine with cats she came face to face with, we also had a pet cat and they would play together. But if she saw one in the garden while she was inside she would bark bark bark at it. Which was weird because we had a cat that lived with us like I said.

My GS x Doberman rescue would kill a cat in our garden I think.

She absolutely adores humans and goes all gooey for pets from anyone, even delivery drivers are begged for pets.

But I don't let her off lead outside my own, fully dog proof garden.

She lives with four cats who she's never hurt, she's very gentle with them but she goes mad when she sees any non-family cats.

I wouldn't trust her with other dogs either TBH. She's a reactive rescue dog and we now have a special bright yellow 'give me space' sign on her lead when we walk and don't even introduce her to other dogs.

InCheesusWeTrust · 05/10/2022 07:59

wheresmymojo · 05/10/2022 07:26

My GS x Doberman rescue would kill a cat in our garden I think.

She absolutely adores humans and goes all gooey for pets from anyone, even delivery drivers are begged for pets.

But I don't let her off lead outside my own, fully dog proof garden.

She lives with four cats who she's never hurt, she's very gentle with them but she goes mad when she sees any non-family cats.

I wouldn't trust her with other dogs either TBH. She's a reactive rescue dog and we now have a special bright yellow 'give me space' sign on her lead when we walk and don't even introduce her to other dogs.

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We had the same. We figured he was protecting his cats' territory.
It ramped up when one had kittens (yes we castrate our cats but this one was sent home from booked appointment.as already pregnant).

A dog in a secured garden should be no bother to anyone as long as they, ehm, control their own animals.