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Oh will you look at that! A government u-turn!

723 replies

tenbob · 03/10/2022 07:31

AIBU to think this government is now totally dead in the water..?

Wonder what all the Truss handmaidens tying themselves in knots to defend the tax cut will say now..?

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ClaudineClare · 03/10/2022 08:34

BoxcarMilly · 03/10/2022 08:33

@MrsDoyle351 Just putting another viewpoint.

You can throw red herrings about all you want but the truth is that Labour has done some spectacular u-turns.

U-turns is what this thread is about. 🙂

Squirmy squirm squirm squirm.🤣

MapleLeafForever · 03/10/2022 08:35

I'd also rather a government that could change their minds when something has gone wrong, and not feel forced to stick to bad decisions out of fear of losing authority.

If they'd been able to change their minds about Brexit or whatever else, without all the focus being on the face that they changed their minds/did a U-turn ,then we'd be in a better position now.

I hate the way the media focuses so much on the U-turn bit, and not the rights and wrongs of whatever decision is being made.

floorida · 03/10/2022 08:37

I mean the downside of the U-turn is clearly we have such a shower of shit coming our way that they thought it was impossible to navigate that alongside cutting taxes for the "rich". Not reassuring!

FindingMeno · 03/10/2022 08:37

Just console yourself with the fact that they have to fuck up big time before people will get off their arses to vote them out.
Fucking stupid idiots who voted this shitshow in.

BirmaBrite · 03/10/2022 08:37

So does this mean interest rates for borrowing will go back down ?

TollgateDebs · 03/10/2022 08:38

I do wish that they engaged brain before announcing changes! They had a chance to consult and it appears not much of that went on at all. I am not impressed by politicians of any party at this moment in time and I do wonder what's next!

floorida · 03/10/2022 08:38

Nope

floorida · 03/10/2022 08:38

to interest rates going down

Luxurysleuth007 · 03/10/2022 08:39

The fact that this pair of idiots have cost the BoE (and us!) billions for such a ridiculously stupid decision in the first place is utterly shameful BUT not out of the realms of believability. The sad reality is they wholly DO NOT CARE ABOUT YOU OR ME, again, THEY DO NOT CARE ABOUT US!

The country is fucked beyond belief and it’s going to get a lot worse before there’s any remote chance of it getting better.

GoldenElephant · 03/10/2022 08:40

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 03/10/2022 08:20

Exactly. This is one reason I was so surprised they didn't raise the 40% rate as was mooted, actually. Would've played well with the younger end of their base in particular and could be sold as help to the hardworking squeezed middle, aspirational, that type of thing. Whereas this policy wasn't popular at all.

Couldn’t agree with you more. Increasing the 40% tax threshold would have been an easy and well-liked win for them.

TheHoover · 03/10/2022 08:40

Kwarteng Economics 101:

  1. announce disastrous economic policy
  2. tell mates to bet against the £
  3. Reverse it - your electorate are so gullible they will lap up everything you do
  4. mates rake it in
  5. (when you are sacked) be given £200k p/a ‘advisory roles’ in 10-15 companies in return for your ‘generosity’

I wonder how much Crispin Odey has made in the last 9-10 days

Lalliella · 03/10/2022 08:42

I wonder if they tipped the hedge fund managers off about the U turn and they made a fortune again?

Rosscameasdoody · 03/10/2022 08:42

You know all of this is irrelevant don’t you ? Labour would never have created this shit show in the first place. If the last week hasn’t told you just what the Tories are, and why they shouldn’t be anywhere near government, then I don't know what will. They’ve made Labour look like the party of fiscal responsibility - something we never thought possible. And listing Labour u turns doesn’t even begin to excuse the smash and grab of the last week or the damage done as a result. We should now be calling for a police investigation of insider trading as a result of the chancellors’ ‘unfortunate’ choices.

Getoff · 03/10/2022 08:43

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 03/10/2022 08:31

The Bank of England has not spent £65bn because the gilt reverse auctions run daily between 28 Sept and 14 OCR at max £5bn per day.

Additionally, if you look at the BoE announcement they will resell the gilts when the market has calmed down.

So if the gilt buy back stops and/or the gilts are resold the cost will never be £65bn

www.bankofengland.co.uk/news/2022/september/bank-of-england-announces-gilt-market-operation

So if I understand the situation correctly, the most BoE has spent as of this past weekend is £25 billion, not £65 billion, and in return for that spending, it has acquired assets that might, when resold in the near future, be worth more than they spent, due to a partial U-turn on the policies that led the asset price to fall?

EnjoyingTheSilence · 03/10/2022 08:44

I’d rather they didn’t make bad decisions. We all knew it was a total fuck up. That it didn’t make sense. Why didn’t they?

floorida · 03/10/2022 08:45

Because it makes sense to them. They only reversed it because the optics became too bad.

tenbob · 03/10/2022 08:47

Lalliella · 03/10/2022 08:42

I wonder if they tipped the hedge fund managers off about the U turn and they made a fortune again?

Highly unlikely

it was announced just before the markets opened so that it wouldn’t benefit anyone to have the information ahead of time

GBP had stabilised enough before today that I can’t see there being much to be made in buying low with the knowledge there would be a big movement today, above buying low in the hope there would be movement in the coming weeks and months

this honestly feels like utter incompetence rather than conspiracy

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walkingonsunshinekat · 03/10/2022 08:48

BoxcarMilly · 03/10/2022 08:33

@MrsDoyle351 Just putting another viewpoint.

You can throw red herrings about all you want but the truth is that Labour has done some spectacular u-turns.

U-turns is what this thread is about. 🙂

Nah, its about GOVERNMENT U TURNS.... and Truss's U Turn is spectacular but again, more importantly, is her whole fiscal approach, which is a disaster.

Pinktrews77 · 03/10/2022 08:48

This is utterly shambolic.

Just goes to show, you can receive the best education in the country and have the brain the size of a planet (debatable in the case of KK and LT) and still have no common sense whatsoever.

Rosscameasdoody · 03/10/2022 08:48

TollgateDebs · 03/10/2022 08:38

I do wish that they engaged brain before announcing changes! They had a chance to consult and it appears not much of that went on at all. I am not impressed by politicians of any party at this moment in time and I do wonder what's next!

There was no consultation at all. None. Truss admitted they hadn’t even consulted their own ministers. Truss tried to throw KK under a bus in an interview last night, saying that the plans were his. He appeared to contradict that this morning on BBC breakfast. I don’t think we’ll have to wait long to find out what’s next. Hopefully both of them gone, and soon.

luxxlisbon · 03/10/2022 08:48

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 03/10/2022 07:40

TBH I’d rather have A leader who did U-turns on bad decisions rather than carry on through with them to save face. I mean did people want the u-turn or not? If the answer is yes then what are you moaning for.

Interested to hear the points that make Truss an A leader?

L1ttledrummergirl · 03/10/2022 08:50

waffless · 03/10/2022 08:06

The people who work hard will be back to their jobs. They will also pay taxes for the. rest. Those who will be on Twitter all day whining. Social media is the devil’s work.
The conservatives, Lib Dem and Labour ( much worse) are a pile shit.

Actually, I work bloody hard, today happens to be my day off as I haven't yet had to resort to working 12 hour days, seven days a week

Fuck off with your implication that British people are lazy. The only British people that label applies to are the tory government who couldn't be arsed to take advice before destroying the countries economy. That they apply their poor work ethic to others is disgusting and shows how thick they are.

Theskyisfullofbirds · 03/10/2022 08:51

So many Tory bot apologists on this thread.

We see you.

Rosscameasdoody · 03/10/2022 08:51

luxxlisbon · 03/10/2022 08:48

Interested to hear the points that make Truss an A leader?

Arsehole ?

BluOcty · 03/10/2022 08:51

Can they reverse all the other unfounded tax cuts now?