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Oh will you look at that! A government u-turn!

723 replies

tenbob · 03/10/2022 07:31

AIBU to think this government is now totally dead in the water..?

Wonder what all the Truss handmaidens tying themselves in knots to defend the tax cut will say now..?

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TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 03/10/2022 08:12

HappyHappyHermit · 03/10/2022 07:54

@OhhhhhhhhBiscuits Exactly, part of me wonders whether this wasn't the plan all along so they xan make loads of money and then say look how amazing we are listening to the people.

If it was, then that's a MASSIVE miscalculation too! Lots who have always voted Tory, looking at their options.

RedAppleGirl · 03/10/2022 08:12

ClaudineClare · 03/10/2022 08:11

It is hilarious to see the squirming Tory supporters trying to justify this. Waiting patiently for But Corbyn to make an appearance.

Who are the squirming tory supporters?

Parker231 · 03/10/2022 08:13

Shepandawing · 03/10/2022 07:44

People complained bitterly about a policy, the policy is changed after the government listened, People complain bitterly still 🙈

Everyone is complaining because it has cost the uk public £65bn!

ClaudineClare · 03/10/2022 08:15

These threads are a shit show of incessant complainers

This government is a shit show of incessant incompetents.

I am guessing the early shift at Tory HQ is a bit fraught.

skippy67 · 03/10/2022 08:15

LydiaBennetsUglyBonnet · 03/10/2022 07:40

TBH I’d rather have A leader who did U-turns on bad decisions rather than carry on through with them to save face. I mean did people want the u-turn or not? If the answer is yes then what are you moaning for.

You're a Tory voters, right. I'd rather have a leader who listened to advisors, and experts in their fields before making policy announcements that make no sense.

SleeplessInEngland · 03/10/2022 08:16

“We didn’t listen to experts but suddenly saw our polling crater, so now we get it.”

MrsDoyle351 · 03/10/2022 08:16

These threads are a shit show of incessant complainers.

If you say so, I thought it was more a thread of people expressing their views on the news of the day. That's like - the whole point of a discussion.

Are we only to allow positive views when the UK economy is being tanked by a bunch of feckless, self-serving half-wits??

WakeUpAndBe · 03/10/2022 08:16

AngelinaFibres · 03/10/2022 07:58

This.
It doesn't matter how bad the Conservatives are , Labour will never be voted in. People say things to opinion polls that they would never do in a voting booth. They say it to give the Consevstives a kick, then vote Conservative. There is simply no credible alternative.

The U-turn was good.

But the optics of all of this was bad. And coincided with the Labour conference that drew attention to how Kier Starmer is a credible leader (he’s clear, thorough and had good ideas).

Do you know who probably made a difference?! Give and Shapps publicly denouncing the plan.

Looks more like people are aware there’s a credible opposition now. Thank goodness for that!

BoxcarMilly · 03/10/2022 08:16

@Shepandawing "People complained bitterly about a policy, the policy is changed after the government listened, People complain bitterly still 🙈"

Exactly.
They can't do right for doing wrong.

😴

andtheweedonkey · 03/10/2022 08:17

Kay is giving Chris Philp a really hard time on sky.
🍿

westcountryfaithful · 03/10/2022 08:17

Just to put it into perspective, losing £65bn of taxpayers money is about 8pc of last years tax income. And 25pc of the income tax revenue last year.

25pc flushed down the toilet..

ClaudineClare · 03/10/2022 08:18

andtheweedonkey · 03/10/2022 08:17

Kay is giving Chris Philp a really hard time on sky.
🍿

It is painful to watch.

SleeplessInEngland · 03/10/2022 08:18

It doesn't matter how bad the Conservatives are , Labour will never be voted in. People say things to opinion polls that they would never do in a voting booth. They say it to give the Consevstives a kick, then vote Conservative. There is simply no credible alternative.

Nah, the ‘shy Tory’ phenomenon is a bedtime story the conservatives tell themselves when things are bad. There’s zero data to prove it.

skippy67 · 03/10/2022 08:18

Who are the squirming tory supporters? @RedAppleGirl 🤔

WakeUpAndBe · 03/10/2022 08:18

^Gove

BuildersTeaMaker · 03/10/2022 08:18

Shepandawing · 03/10/2022 07:44

People complained bitterly about a policy, the policy is changed after the government listened, People complain bitterly still 🙈

Which bit about it costing £65 BILLION do you not understand. The BOE had to bail out the country. The ramifications of that will be felt by this country for years

And in the meantime the mates of our chancellor have pocketed millions by shorting the Pound

yeah, right…nothing to see here, just move on ….

. People like you are why this country is in a mess as you don’t take time to understand what is happening with the sheer amount of money squandered by the Tories over last 12 years, the amount of tax payers money being passed onto their wealthy friends and donors by way of dodgy procurement contracts, and the sheer Rucker’s of u-turns every 2 weeks. I can’t think of many things Boris did that didn’t result in u-turns.

andtheweedonkey · 03/10/2022 08:18

ClaudineClare · 03/10/2022 08:18

It is painful to watch.

Brilliant, wasn't it! Grin

MiniTheMinx · 03/10/2022 08:18

RedAppleGirl · 03/10/2022 07:46

What a bizarre U-turn.
Why announce the policy and then change it 10 days later?
People are calling for a GE, shall we have a GE every time we don't like something a government does?
The population and the Twitterati are becoming ungovernable.

Ungovernable? if only that were the case. These evil cretins are pulling apart the very fabric of society in order to wage a war upon ordinary working people. And you think those same ordinary working people are Ungovernable because someone said something on twitter! If we were ungovernable then Truss et al wouldn't be in a position to land us with another £65 billion in debt. They are quite literally borrowing money in our name and shovelling it straight into the pickets of those already rich off of our excited Labour. Go boil your head you silly person.

Novum · 03/10/2022 08:19

Sunak told Truss publicly what the consequences of this policy would be, and she wouldn't concede that he could possibly be right.

When I think what that £65 billion could have done in terms of NHS waiting lists, the justice system shambles, adequate SEN support and education,, I could weep.

rummybunns · 03/10/2022 08:19

GoldenElephant · 03/10/2022 07:34

All he needed to do was increase the 20% and 40% tax thresholds (as was leaked for three days and universally liked).

They made a rod for their own back by doing this instead.

This 100%.

They would have possibly kept my vote for this and quite a large amount of people I have spoken too. But my guess now is that they wont dare do it and will certainly loose a large majority of previous voters.

Tha · 03/10/2022 08:19

The population and the Twitterati are becoming ungovernable.

If you have a wee read of The Sovereign Individual by Jacob Rees Mogg's father he basically says that's what going to happen 😂 what they're doing right now is essentially ensuring they and their ilk have the means to survive comfortably when it happens.

MiniTheMinx · 03/10/2022 08:20

*exploited labour....obviously.

ClaudineClare · 03/10/2022 08:20

BoxcarMilly · 03/10/2022 08:16

@Shepandawing "People complained bitterly about a policy, the policy is changed after the government listened, People complain bitterly still 🙈"

Exactly.
They can't do right for doing wrong.

😴

Yes, because the fiasco has not affected the UK's financial stability at all🙈🙉🙊

SleeplessInEngland · 03/10/2022 08:20

BoxcarMilly · 03/10/2022 08:16

@Shepandawing "People complained bitterly about a policy, the policy is changed after the government listened, People complain bitterly still 🙈"

Exactly.
They can't do right for doing wrong.

😴

When a policy costs the Bank of England £65 billion you don’t get a pat on the back for reversing it 10 days later.

So many Tory bots out in force today, hope they’re getting overtime this week.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 03/10/2022 08:20

TooMuchToDoTooLittleInclination · 03/10/2022 08:12

If it was, then that's a MASSIVE miscalculation too! Lots who have always voted Tory, looking at their options.

Exactly. This is one reason I was so surprised they didn't raise the 40% rate as was mooted, actually. Would've played well with the younger end of their base in particular and could be sold as help to the hardworking squeezed middle, aspirational, that type of thing. Whereas this policy wasn't popular at all.

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