*trigger warning* Should we let pedophiles go?

[killthemall]

I'm just thinking outloud here but I'd be interested in opinions.

I was groomed and taken advantage of by an older relative when I was a teenager. Didn't learn my lesson and was groomed again by his brother! (I wised up at the similarities though and nothing happened a second time)

Anyway the point is as I know them personally (and they are both still very much involved in the family, I was blamed as the evil temptress obviously) so I know all of their dirty little secrets. And theg have both gotten themselves into positions of power, given themselves access to vulnerable people. I don't know I'd anything has gone on but u wouldn't be surprised. What I do know is that they both preyed on vulnerable women for partners and abuse them now. I don't know the full extent but I know enough to know they haven't changed and are a source on society.
My children aren't allowed near them.

Now I was talking in a group about paedophiles, as you do when there is yet another case in the news or on the television, or on netflix.
Anyway, we were chatting and we got along the lines of whether it is an illness or not.
I don't believe so. Thinking the thoughts may be unpleasant but acting on them is another thing entirely.
Then it was said that if they aren't attracted to women then perhaps they wouldn't reproduced and if there was a peado gene maybe it would have died out.
And then we were saying that in the old days if you found out uncle Jim hurt your child like that then you would kill him and that be that. Because let's face it, you would if there was no law against it.

But what I've seen time and time again is creating, sharing and possessing indecent images of children isn't given a 15 year sentence. It's given a tap on the wrist 2 years 18 months with good behaviour.

I was watching a program about the police and there was a paedo and he had disgusting videos and images on his laptop, admitted to it, and was let out on bail on the same day waiting for his devices to be checked by whoever does that, Despite them already finding them!

Now I think if I was like that and I knew I'd get a couple years for possessing and sharing images like that then that's a minor deterent.

Or the ones who actually go through with it and hurt children. Oh god. I think they should be locked away indefinitely. I really don't feel safe knowing anyone could be one, but even ones who are caught are let go, ready to do it again. Loads of them do.

this was sparked by the should be bring back state murder thread and my first thought was 'not for murderers'' but then someone posted about paedophiles and I thought "oh yeah they can die" without a second thought.
I really think harsher sentences and they should be locked up. I mean that man who got caught and let out has surely just been shown that he can do it and he gets 24 hours in custody and then he's free basically (I know its on bail but they said he could be waiting 12-24 months to have his devices checked. imagine what he could do after being arrested and the videos were found and he confessed and then let go? Je is going to be exhilarated and possibly fearful of what's coming in a few years. he might go out and do what he can! he's just go away with it basically.

So in short,
should we ever let them go even if it is on bail.

Yabu they should be let go after arrested and evidence

Yanbu they should be sent somewhere to keep the public safe after arrested and evidence

I have no interest in whether it's a legitimate illness or not. It's illegal, it's disgusting, and yes, it carries a far too light sentence than it deserves.

I'm not calling for an illogical USA-style 280 years sentence, but the sentencing laws in this country need a complete and harsher overhaul.

^^ That was general sentencing, btw, not just for paedophilia.

I hope you don’t live in Wiltshire , OP. Because the local police will visit you and give you a good talking to if you are ‘Untoward about pedophiles’. And try to get registered for a hate crime….

To he fair I'd rather have burglars and drug dealers on the streets if that meant there were more prison space for peadphiles

and I completely agree that I don't care if it is an illness or not. I suppose there must be people who feel that way and hate it and don't act on it.

I wonder if the Internet, giving access to... ways to see it... helps people move along. So they have access and then they feel more emboldened to act, they can talk to others like them and feel more accepted?
it's a very big downside to the Internet.

@Allthegoodnamesarechosen get off, is that true because I'll have to start supporting the vigilantte groups if the police end up being rape supporters.

I couldn't even type child in front of that word. evil basterds deserve nothing. We are supposed to hate them.

Paedophiles are practically a protected characteristic these days but even back fifteen years ago they didn't sentence them

Friends husband used his daughter as bait to get to her friends charged and given a two year suspended sentence with restrictions broke his restrictions another two years SUSPENDED broke them again same deal he was also granted access to his daughter the first time second time children services said file in court and he didn't show up

Paedophiles with a specific interest in pre school and primary school children housed in flats to left of the flats is a park to the right a primary school

Paedophile with an interest in teenagers housed by the shops next to a church where teenagers hang out because they run clubs for them

It's like they are giving them access on a plate

They should exile sex offenders who can't be rehabilitated. They can form their own self sustaining colony on an island somewhere whilst the rest of us stay safe

We should have very harsh sentences for people who access images of children being abused and contact offenders should never be let out. I don’t even care about punishing them. Just send them to a little farm somewhere they can have job and some recreational activities. They can interact with each other and crack on with their lives but kept completely away from the rest of the world. They don’t change and the risk is too high.

I keep thinking this about Jon Venables. Why for the love of God do we keep releasing him with 6000 new identities when he keeps reoffending and outing himself. Either lock him up permanently or let him live under his own name and risk someone killing him. God knows he deserves it. He isn't going to stop reoffending, he's said as much himself. He doesn't see anything wrong with what he's done.

Paedophilia is a sexual orientation (imo) and thus cannot be rehabilitated. Therefore anyone who holds images or carries out actions that would labelled paedophilia in a court of law should be removed from society and locked up for life.

I think it's unforgivable, if anyone did this to my children I would murder them myself. I think death sentence is most appropriate, I really don't believe they can be rehabilitated so it's a waste of time keeping them in prison and a waste of money and if you kill them at least you know they can't do anything like thar again. I'm very sorry for what you went through OP

I have been thinking along the same lines as you since Adnan Syed was released. He was 17 at the time of the murder and has been in prison ever since. He was so young and has had his best years taken. I feel it’s enough. It is also easier to rehabilitate a murderer, while the reoffending rates for child abusers and rapists are sky high I would rather they stay in prison.

Was the father given unsupervised access?

Also I seen pedophiles being referred to as MAPS ( minor attracted persons) and people actually believing that its OK. It is never OK and if that ever becomes widely OK then ordinary people will need to intervene!

trigger warning

My dd was abused by a family friend
he’d used her as his ‘warm up’ until his own dd was ‘of the right age’ (9-11)
thankfully he was found guilty and got 7 years,did 3 and a half,was let out under the conditions he didn't step foot in our home town for 5 years (3 and a half years where spent in prison) and then he’s a free man to do what he likes-although he’s not allowed any contact with under 16’s (god knows how they police him-there is nothing to stop him lingering around schools or parks)

my friend was raped analy aged 7 (in a park toilet)
he got away with it with her,but was found guilty over the years with other children
hed do his time,get out,the council would re-home him,he’d do it again and back to prison he went
last time I saw her,she knew he was living 500 yards away from my dcs school and when people complained they’d just shrug and say they had no other options as he kept getting hounded out of his home when people found out

weve both been warned that we can’t say or do anything towards these men-they are protected
so if I was to see dds abuser in the street,I have to walk the others way-I can’t warn anyone or do anything or I’m at risk of being arrested and charged

the help we got after was almost zero-i feel we where hung out to dry-he got all the help and support he wanted and I know he’s not changed-he doesn’t see he did anything wrong

i don’t know the answer to what should happen but 3 and a half years served of a 7 year sentence is a fucking joke

The first time? He had supervised but they discussed unsupervised because he never touched her just her friends mum refused to consider it got support in pushing back but they were clear eventually he might get unsupervised access then he broke his restrictions and as he was a repeat offender they said no to all contact

I don't think law should be able to kill people. I don't think police should have the power to kill people. I don't think judges should have the power to sentence people to death. At the same time. I would kill somebody who hurt my child. I would hurt them beyond what I think is acceptable to do to a person. But the law is susceptible to corruption and shouldn't have the power over life.

I do think paedophilia is an illness. Like schizophrenia. I think we should be investing in treatments. But I also think the person maintains their sanity and CHOOSES to act on those thoughts. And that is abhorrent. All rapist deserve so much more jail time and so much more intensive rehabilitation than they get. No rapist or child abuser should ever leave prison until they are as likely to rape/abuse as any other decent man.

I think there is an unjustifiable lack of respect and care for children and their childhood in society.
Yes it applies to women and their safety too but you asked about paedophiles.
The sentencing is a joke. The prevention is a joke. The porn industry and child sex abuse images is beyond a joke because no one is really even trying.
I think rape should be sentenced the same as murder, with no statute of limitations.
I think viewing/possessing images of child rape should be treated the same as rape. There should be an obligation to report these images if found accidentally and if not you are liable.
Child rape - I couldn't give a fuck what happens to the offender. As long as they are not in society.

I don't think it'sban illness. I think it's prioritising their sexual gratification over the well being and mental health of an innocent child. A disgustingly selfish choice.

If there is no room in prisons they should be tagged and given chemical castration drugs.

I think we should make an exception for pedophiles in terms of the death sentence.

I think a lot of child sex abusers are just abusers, abusing power. Certainly many that abuse within the family.

Not an expert, but have some experience. Something seems off to me about this being an ‘orientation’ or a widespread thing.

And I certainly don’t want the crime of a pedophile being treated more leniently because of their ‘condition’ 🤮

How is it diagnosed? How stringent is the procedure for diagnosis?

This is what I was on about. They should have died out because it seems like a basic instinct to at least beat them.
When you read about a crime and its rape or murder of an adult it feels bad, right?
But when the victim is a child the reaction is of intense disgust. They are othered. communities won't accept them, we want them out. and in some cases in jail, prisoners who don't even know the affexted child will gang up on them and the officers look the other way. Vigilante groups are applauded and people watch videos of them being caught and scared.
Most people will say they want them dead or put away but nothing ever happens. you can get 14 years for drug dealing. I can't believe a pp said a reoffender was let off!

I bet if there was a political party who would go hard on them they would win hands down.
but instead the law is so lenient on them.
Then again, almost every man I ever walked past once I reached the age of twelve and grew to an A cup I was suddenly asking for it for existing (even though I existed a good few years after that with no make up, no skirts, no shaving. I was a very late developer but a plethora of men said or did inappropriate things to me. Strangers and relatives alike. same story with every woman I've ever spoken to about this)

what about that sicko who made basically Essex dolls but minors. Their argument was that each ine is saving a child but actually this kind of thing escalates so a person with a doll is MORE likely to offend in real life than not.