*trigger warning* Should we let pedophiles go?

[killthemall]

I'm just thinking outloud here but I'd be interested in opinions.

I was groomed and taken advantage of by an older relative when I was a teenager. Didn't learn my lesson and was groomed again by his brother! (I wised up at the similarities though and nothing happened a second time)

Anyway the point is as I know them personally (and they are both still very much involved in the family, I was blamed as the evil temptress obviously) so I know all of their dirty little secrets. And theg have both gotten themselves into positions of power, given themselves access to vulnerable people. I don't know I'd anything has gone on but u wouldn't be surprised. What I do know is that they both preyed on vulnerable women for partners and abuse them now. I don't know the full extent but I know enough to know they haven't changed and are a source on society.
My children aren't allowed near them.

Now I was talking in a group about paedophiles, as you do when there is yet another case in the news or on the television, or on netflix.
Anyway, we were chatting and we got along the lines of whether it is an illness or not.
I don't believe so. Thinking the thoughts may be unpleasant but acting on them is another thing entirely.
Then it was said that if they aren't attracted to women then perhaps they wouldn't reproduced and if there was a peado gene maybe it would have died out.
And then we were saying that in the old days if you found out uncle Jim hurt your child like that then you would kill him and that be that. Because let's face it, you would if there was no law against it.

But what I've seen time and time again is creating, sharing and possessing indecent images of children isn't given a 15 year sentence. It's given a tap on the wrist 2 years 18 months with good behaviour.

I was watching a program about the police and there was a paedo and he had disgusting videos and images on his laptop, admitted to it, and was let out on bail on the same day waiting for his devices to be checked by whoever does that, Despite them already finding them!

Now I think if I was like that and I knew I'd get a couple years for possessing and sharing images like that then that's a minor deterent.

Or the ones who actually go through with it and hurt children. Oh god. I think they should be locked away indefinitely. I really don't feel safe knowing anyone could be one, but even ones who are caught are let go, ready to do it again. Loads of them do.

this was sparked by the should be bring back state murder thread and my first thought was 'not for murderers'' but then someone posted about paedophiles and I thought "oh yeah they can die" without a second thought.
I really think harsher sentences and they should be locked up. I mean that man who got caught and let out has surely just been shown that he can do it and he gets 24 hours in custody and then he's free basically (I know its on bail but they said he could be waiting 12-24 months to have his devices checked. imagine what he could do after being arrested and the videos were found and he confessed and then let go? Je is going to be exhilarated and possibly fearful of what's coming in a few years. he might go out and do what he can! he's just go away with it basically.

It’s of course a mental illness like with psychopaths, either caused by something wrong in their brains or because they’ve been brought up with abuse and conditioned to it.

But that doesn’t mean it’s acceptable and there’s a massive difference between having these thoughts and acting on them.

Although I did read about a psychopath who was almost schizophrenic where he’d try everything to stop himself from killing someone but the other side of him would take over and he’d do it and then feel bad afterwards - of course that could just be what he told the courts afterwards so they felt sorry for him.

But even if they can’t help it - surely that’s even more reason to keep them off the streets.

I think the reason that peados get such short sentences is because, like racism, it is ingrained into our legal system and society.

Men come above women and children.

I bet a man going around abusing other men would get a much harsher sentence than if they had abused children or women.

I think the simplest, effective solution for any sort of sex offender is to be chemically castrated (as well as jail time), especially if they are claiming they can’t help it.

Getting a slap on the wrist does not help and in some cases may even make it worse if they get off on the fact that it’s forbidden.

Really, it's best if we just put them out of their misery. They have no place in society.
Imagine your sole purpose in this life is to cause damage to others. What is the actual point in you being here?

The fact that you are saying they should have "died out" suggests you think there is a genetic link which I really don't think there is.

We seem to be getting more Liberal, granting men in women's clothing the opportunity to enter spaces that ought to be reserved for women and girls, we allow them access to corrupt young minds by doing Drag Storytime etc.

I don't suggest that everyone who does the above is a paedophile, but these actions are lowering the barriers to entry for closer relationships with children and in turn, this will create contact where it wasn't before for those willing to try.

The only reason I don’t believe in the death penalty is that it’s the easy way out.

I’ve heard of many child killers/ abusers who’ve been sentenced to a long life sentence like Ian Brady who have begged to be put to death.

I’d rather they suffer every day in prison.

But the issue is that most of them are allowed back out.

that's what I'm on about. back in the day, before we were 'civilized' we would have a group of men with pitchforks.

I think its because there are no consequences.
if be behind a murderer who killed these filthy men. I really would.

they don't deserve a new identity. are they mad? why waste time and resources protected those who are big and strong enough to rape a person. a minor. a baby.

A slash on the wrist is more fitting than a slap.

There should be no place in society for anyone who harms a child. I'm okay with child abusers forfeiting their right to live among us.

The problem is if they're in prison they're being paid for when, IMO, there's no chance of rehabilitation.

Paedophiles are the one group of people I'd happily reinstate the death penalty for, and I'd happily execute them myself.

It doesn't matter if it's 'the easy way out' for them if it means that children are protected.

We should absolutely let them go and live on a small island somewhere. Drop food off regularly.

seriously though I think the Californians have the right idea. They have a centre where paedophiles get sent to, it’s not prison, you’re being rehabilitated but your odds of being released ever are minute.

I agree with castration, chemical or otherwise.

I watched a Louis Theroux doc on a prison in USA once that housed peadophiles and they tried putting them through mental treatment but they could also opt for castration. Quite a few of the men opted themselves for castration because they knew they couldn't change their sexual orientation.

I think we should castrate them because we can't put them down unfortunately.

I know it's not a popular opinion, but I'd dole out death sentences to rapists and murderers, regardless of the age of their victims. Tbh, I don't care whether these criminals have a mental illness or not.

It doesn't matter if it's 'the easy way out' for them if it means that children are protected.

That is true.

They wouldn’t suffer as much as I’d like but then other children wouldn’t suffer at their hands again either, which is more important.

Its a crime that can NEVER be justified. I'm not a professional in that area... but I'm not sure that they'll ever not be into what they're into. They might receive help not to act on it, but I'm sure the temptation would remain.

For that reason I think a life long sentence would be best. Or at least a life long ban from participating in society where children may be present... and I'm not sure how you do that without locking someone up or restricting their movements in some way.

The child will have to live with the scars of what they've been through forever... so why should the abuser walk free? World's gone mad.

Also, I think anyone who is willing to commit these crimes is ill, and therefore the 'not guilty due to insanity' verdict should be binned and 'guilty and insane' (or something to that affect) should replace it.

I saw an interesting documentary detailing the cost of executions in the U.S. it was more than a million dollars per execution due to legal processes needing to be exhausted prior to execution. It was cheaper on average to keep them behind bars on a whole of life sentence.

Did anyone watch that programme of the pedophile who openly admitted he was attracted to children? He had never acted on it and even moved into the middle of nowhere so he wasn’t around children. I never thought I’d feel the way I did but I really felt sorry for him. He tried all sorts of things to ‘make the feel go away’ but it just didn’t. He hated himself

To those saying it’s sexual orientation, I agree, but if being involved with men was not allowed the same way pedophilia isn’t, I would simply never touch a man again. To cause such trauma to a child is horrendous, and you have to be sick in the head to act on those feelings.

Quite a few of the men opted themselves for castration because they knew they couldn't change their sexual orientation.

I agree.

It’s painless, harmless, reversible and a lot cheaper than trying to house them all.

As women we put hormones into our bodies all of the time.

So I don’t understand the reason behind not forcing chemical castration on men convicted of sex offences.

They lost that part of their human rights when they took away someone else’s.

These MAPS, now hide under the LGBTQ+ umbrella. Hiding in plain sight for all to see and admire, as they're all so stunning and brave #sickf*ckers.

They should be castrated after the first offence.

If they reoffend they should be given the rope. It saves the tax burden.

I know it's not a popular opinion, but I'd dole out death sentences to rapists and murderers, regardless of the age of their victims. Tbh, I don't care whether these criminals have a mental illness or not.
You're wrong - it appears to be a very popular opinion; every post on this thread seems to hold exactly the same view

saw an interesting documentary detailing the cost of executions in the U.S. it was more than a million dollars per execution due to legal processes needing to be exhausted prior to execution

They stay on death row for decades as well, don't they, and they get options of how they want to be killed.

Maybe once they've been convicted they should be put in prison in solitary confinement and just given the tools to end it themselves when they're ready.

I'm.sorry to hear your story, is there nothing you can do to bring your abusers to justice

Thet should be physically castrated. I worked with them for years and they do not ever reform.

Paedophilia is not a sexual orientation.

Orientation implies potential consent between partners etc.

Paedophilia is a paraphilia.

I've heard people who have been in prison with paedophiles say that it's a sexual preference which can't be cured or rehabilitated. They don't fancy women or men.

I think my view on this will be very unpopular, but here we go.

First of all, I think the way society treats pedophiles is wrong. It must be some mental illness as we know it's not normal to view children this way.

There will be a high proportion of pedophiles who will very much know something is wrong with them, and the way they feel. They don't want to act on it. They need some kind of help. But what do they do? The way society treats them and speaks about them means they cannot admit to anyone anywhere these urges or get help.

Don't get me wrong, if someone acts on this, then they shouldn't be let out. This should be addressed through either prison or mental health facilities, but if there's a risk of reoffending they should never be let out.

But I think we could as a society do much better at prevention if we tried to understand why and how we can help troubled individuals like this, instead of right away say they should die and they're scum. I think this just makes it worse because it makes people hide a mental illness out of fear.

Let them go where ? Death penalty and straight to hell absolutely, Let them go free Absolutely not. It’s not a sickness they are just vile dirty beasts