*trigger warning* Should we let pedophiles go?

[killthemall]

I'm just thinking outloud here but I'd be interested in opinions.

I was groomed and taken advantage of by an older relative when I was a teenager. Didn't learn my lesson and was groomed again by his brother! (I wised up at the similarities though and nothing happened a second time)

Anyway the point is as I know them personally (and they are both still very much involved in the family, I was blamed as the evil temptress obviously) so I know all of their dirty little secrets. And theg have both gotten themselves into positions of power, given themselves access to vulnerable people. I don't know I'd anything has gone on but u wouldn't be surprised. What I do know is that they both preyed on vulnerable women for partners and abuse them now. I don't know the full extent but I know enough to know they haven't changed and are a source on society.
My children aren't allowed near them.

Now I was talking in a group about paedophiles, as you do when there is yet another case in the news or on the television, or on netflix.
Anyway, we were chatting and we got along the lines of whether it is an illness or not.
I don't believe so. Thinking the thoughts may be unpleasant but acting on them is another thing entirely.
Then it was said that if they aren't attracted to women then perhaps they wouldn't reproduced and if there was a peado gene maybe it would have died out.
And then we were saying that in the old days if you found out uncle Jim hurt your child like that then you would kill him and that be that. Because let's face it, you would if there was no law against it.

But what I've seen time and time again is creating, sharing and possessing indecent images of children isn't given a 15 year sentence. It's given a tap on the wrist 2 years 18 months with good behaviour.

I was watching a program about the police and there was a paedo and he had disgusting videos and images on his laptop, admitted to it, and was let out on bail on the same day waiting for his devices to be checked by whoever does that, Despite them already finding them!

Now I think if I was like that and I knew I'd get a couple years for possessing and sharing images like that then that's a minor deterent.

Or the ones who actually go through with it and hurt children. Oh god. I think they should be locked away indefinitely. I really don't feel safe knowing anyone could be one, but even ones who are caught are let go, ready to do it again. Loads of them do.

this was sparked by the should be bring back state murder thread and my first thought was 'not for murderers'' but then someone posted about paedophiles and I thought "oh yeah they can die" without a second thought.
I really think harsher sentences and they should be locked up. I mean that man who got caught and let out has surely just been shown that he can do it and he gets 24 hours in custody and then he's free basically (I know its on bail but they said he could be waiting 12-24 months to have his devices checked. imagine what he could do after being arrested and the videos were found and he confessed and then let go? Je is going to be exhilarated and possibly fearful of what's coming in a few years. he might go out and do what he can! he's just go away with it basically.

I still can't make that quote make grammatical sense. Let alone actual sense.

Considering a chunk of my life was taken from some vile offender, I would happily volunteer to dish out capital punishment on any sex offender. They need wiped off the face of the earth, too many lives are destroyed by these monsters. There's no deterrent for their crimes, they just reoffend and get away almost Scot free.

Throw them in 100ft acid pools I say or piranhas.

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Best wishes.

Does every society experience this?
Not in the rest of Europe. We have a very different take on sex offending on the UK.

Yes but so many men being absolute fucking animals for sexual gratification (and that's an insult to animals) is the main problem.

They'd fuck anything that moves. They don't care if they shouldn't do it to prepubescent humans. They don't care as long as they're not caught (or have to pay any penalty). And let's face it, most of them (like ops abusers) don't.

Society, as you rightly point, makes sure they don't for all sorts of reasons. Lots of women always such by the "bread winner" and still do, even now they have welfare and child maintenance etc.
We have a rape apologist culture too, even when it comes to underage ..... Excuses are made, minimisation happens, if it can be said the victim is delusional or lying, it will be said.

I'm not sure it's an illness.

Because, sadly, most abusers were themselves abused as children, I think?

So I'm not too sure how it works. Some paedophiles I feel absolute hatred for....and then I hear about what does done to them as children. Obviously I don't forgive / excuse what they are done, but it is very sad.

But I agree completely that sentences need to be much, much harsher. And sentences for people with indecent images of children as well. Stop them before they hurt someone. As you say though OP, that's the dark side of the internet and much more needs to be done to police it.

Yep. With a lot of the child murders there was a pattern of escalating behaviour first thet should have been stopped earlier. Crime against children (and women) doesn’t get harsh enough penalties but defraud a bank and its ten years 🙄

*Lots of women always stick by the "bread winner

Because, sadly, most abusers were themselves abused as children, I think?

There's a convincing school of thought that they all claim that when caught.

So sympathy and pop psychology can help them.

Funny how do many victims (the majority) of child sex abuse are female, yet so many of the offenders are male (in fact pretty much all, and if you see a case with a woman, it will almost always have a man influencing & procuring somewhere). Why aren't the majority female if that's the case?

Yes, I agree with this.

It's ok for men to make abortion laws, but when it comes to mens bodies, this is off the table? It shouldn't be, this is an obvious solution and the reason it doesn't happen is that men and their bodies are deemed more important than womens.

That needs to change.

Because, sadly, most abusers were themselves abused as children, I think?

They certainly know to give that as a reason in mitigation during their trials. Whether it's true or not, well, they're hardly the most honest of people.

We raise men to believe theyre superior. Some take it to its natural conclusion by abusing those with less power/who are 'inferior'.

Sorry, I forgot to say that I absolutely agree there's a big aspect in these bastards psychology/narrative that women and children are possessions.

And you can do what you like with your possessions, esp behind closed doors.

You have rights to their bodies, your rights and wants always come above theirs.

Lundy Bancroft's books on how abusers think touched on this well.

Truth.

Yes, fair point.

But wouldn’t they then take their frustrations out in different ways?

Yes, maybe I was being naive in believing that.

You have a proven criminal degenerate with shit morality, no empathy, manipulative etc ... But they're telling the truth about that?

And as I said, that connection would dictate a very high level of female child sex abusers, which there are not (since they make up the majority of those abused).

If it’s under their control whether they attack children then they are wicked and should be in jail, preferably permanently.

if it’s a sickness and not under their control then they should be indefinitely detained for the safety of others.

Either way, there is no way paedophiles should be wandering the streets. These crimes are not dealt with seriously enough.

This.

First let me say m, I'm not defending anyone!

But paedophiles are not a homogenous group. Their offences vary so therefore the sentences need to reflect this. For the most serious offences lifetime in prison should be an option, this could mean literally in a cell, or possibly as in other countries, a small community within prison fences who essentially live out their lives but not in a cell (think of it as self catering rather than hotel).

For others it could be a supervised half way house with tag. Others could be fully released on licence if they are not deemed to be a threat (this could include medical interventions)

This is why the lgbtq movement need to be wary of the current move by the pedophile groups to rebrand as MAPs and attach themselves to lgbtq in a move to normalise themselves

Give them life and let the rest of society get on in safety. What it boils down to is male entitlement. Paedos blaming their own abuse is bullshit, far far more girls are victims of sex crimes yet men account for 98% of sex crimes.

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and we all know women don't feel able to report these crimes for fear of being branded a whore

No castration makes them placid.

Exactly my point, it's basically legalising paedophilia and it's disgusting