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To ask what people have against Labour?

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TheSmallestOneWasMadeline · 01/10/2022 12:21

I have come across lots of people who, even while admitting that the Conservatives are far from ideal, seem to scrunch their nose up and say 'but, ew, Labour' when talking about politics.

I have to admit I dont understand what it is that people think is so terrible about them and nobody ever cares to elaborate! I always vote for them as I think their principles align pretty closely with my own even if I don't agree with absolutely e everything they stand for.

Could someone please explain what people think is so terrible about them that they would do a worse job at running the country than the Conservatives have done?

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Namechangedforthisonetoday · 02/10/2022 17:23

I would never be able to trust a party where so many of the front bench are unable to explain what a woman is. If they find that difficult, what else would they cock up? (No pun intended).

pattihews · 02/10/2022 17:25

I notice that the talk about women's betrayal by the left at FiLia sold out within 24 hours... There are a lot of angry women around.

Roughasabadgersbum · 02/10/2022 17:27

DirectionToPerfection · 02/10/2022 17:19

@Roughasabadgersbum

Fox hunting IS wrong to any sane person with a conscience.

But hey, allowing the upper class to take part in their jolly bloodlust is more important than the immense suffering they cause (not to mention the damage to the property of others - something Tories are more likely to care about than cruelty).

It's not all upper class that hunt... But I can how that it is portrayed that way.
But again this is not what the thread is about .

Roughasabadgersbum · 02/10/2022 17:28

I can see how it's portrayed that way... Sorry I didn't check before posting

FitAt50 · 02/10/2022 17:38

Sad to see so many people saying their number 1 issue with Labour is self id or trans issues. If thats the top thing that stops you from voting for a party then you really need to look at the state of the conservatives.

EgonsShell · 02/10/2022 17:39

@FitAt50 Agree.

DuckBilledFattypus · 02/10/2022 17:53

FitAt50 · 02/10/2022 17:38

Sad to see so many people saying their number 1 issue with Labour is self id or trans issues. If thats the top thing that stops you from voting for a party then you really need to look at the state of the conservatives.

You're sad that women don't want to vote in a party that will go even further than the current one to destroy sex based rights and safeguarding?

How very odd of you.

Handsoffmyrights · 02/10/2022 17:59

FitAt50 · 02/10/2022 17:38

Sad to see so many people saying their number 1 issue with Labour is self id or trans issues. If thats the top thing that stops you from voting for a party then you really need to look at the state of the conservatives.

Sad to see that Labour is tone deaf/arrogant to our concerns, as reflected in your post. And they wonder why we won't vote for them.
Also, assuming a no Labour vote must mean we vote Tory.

Instantnoodles · 02/10/2022 18:29

FitAt50 · 02/10/2022 17:38

Sad to see so many people saying their number 1 issue with Labour is self id or trans issues. If thats the top thing that stops you from voting for a party then you really need to look at the state of the conservatives.

I'm sad that Labour have misjudged self ID so completely. But their stance is authoritarian and openly misogynist, so it's a red line for me.

The Tories being awful does not mean that Labour automatically deserves power. I'm amazed at how pervasive this assumption is.

walkingonsunshinekat · 02/10/2022 18:53

Instantnoodles · 02/10/2022 18:29

I'm sad that Labour have misjudged self ID so completely. But their stance is authoritarian and openly misogynist, so it's a red line for me.

The Tories being awful does not mean that Labour automatically deserves power. I'm amazed at how pervasive this assumption is.

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Your very vocal on here, so perhaps you can tell me what is Labours stance/policy on self ID and compare it to the Tory policy on self ID ?

Fishandchipsupper · 02/10/2022 18:55

There’s a tiny glimmer of hope in The Green Party, re accepting Gender Critical views are worthy of respect in a civilised society.

The SDP and communist party haven’t been taken over by trans ideology. So a GC person could vote for them.

I think the Forstater and Allison Baileys case result is helping, plus Shahrar Ali is taking the Greens to court for silencing Gender Critical views.
fingers crossed we’ll be able to vote Green as well as the two others soon.soon.

BirmaBrite · 02/10/2022 19:00

Just had a quick google on the Conservative party and self ID, this makes interesting reading.

committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/17017/pdf/

Lozzybear · 02/10/2022 19:00

@itsgettingweird but far more privileged than a comprehensive school education. I know, my DS goes to a state grammer. It’s a World removed from the comprehensive school that I went to at exactly the same time as Liz Truss in the same city!

BirmaBrite · 02/10/2022 19:13

@Lozzybear Roundhay school looks to be a rather lovely comprehensive school, is is selective ?

CranfordScones · 02/10/2022 19:17

Remember when Laura Kuenssberg had to have bodyguards following her around at the Labour Conference a few years ago?

This year the usual crowd are yelling 'Tory Scum' at Conservative delegates.

Lozzybear · 02/10/2022 19:19

@BirmaBrite ha ha, so funny. I went to a higher performing Leeds secondary than Rounday and it was so inferior to the state grammer that my DS goes to. I know the City and the schools. You’re looking at a bloody website. And no, there are no selective schools in Leeds (unless you are willing to pay). That’s thanks to….Labour!!!!!!

TomPinch · 02/10/2022 19:24

DuckBilledFattypus · 02/10/2022 12:05

The far left really is the working class of old. And momentum that tried to support Corbyn to get into power were hugely slurred and portrayed as dangerous militants. This was caused from those closer to the centre, and that group is split by reasonable rational people and those who push their own ideologies. No wonder people are reeling as it's hard to get to the bottom of what has happened to their party and why. It's the ideology group close to the centre that have destroyed what labour really stood for, and the way they went about this was very calculated. The media has enabled this.

To be honest I probably would still vote for the Labour party of old. But it isn't that party any more. It pretends to be in order to draw in voters, but it isn't.

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Some years back I read a book called 'Seasons in the Sun'. It was a history of the UK from 74 to 79.

From 74 to 76 government was in paralysis and all these hard-left oddballs were running amok. You had, for example, a school that decided to make all lessons voluntary, picketing of a business where the workers were content, and a committee of hospital porters demanding the right to vet who got admitted to the hospital on class grounds.

They were the Momentum of their day and definitely not representative of the working class, many of whom promptly voted Tory in 79 because they wanted a functioning society and economy.

When Corbyn was in charge of the Labour Party the same sort of people ran amok. Some of them were the very same people, just much older.

BirmaBrite · 02/10/2022 19:25

@Lozzybear fair do's , its not that far from me but didn't realise there were no selective schools in Leeds, you live and learn Smile

itsgettingweird · 02/10/2022 19:30

Lozzybear · 02/10/2022 19:00

@itsgettingweird but far more privileged than a comprehensive school education. I know, my DS goes to a state grammer. It’s a World removed from the comprehensive school that I went to at exactly the same time as Liz Truss in the same city!

If it is a far more privileged duration - he earned it.

And quite frankly watching them both now you can see why he got into grammar and she's complaining about her education WinkGrin

Lozzybear · 02/10/2022 19:30

@BirmaBrite Keir Starmer had a far more privileged education than Liz Truss. Liz Truss had no option for a similar education because the Labour party closed the state grammer schools in Leeds. The very party that Keir represents. Ironic, eh?!!!

MangyInseam · 02/10/2022 19:33

BirmaBrite · 02/10/2022 13:16

Frankly if you can't answer that you have no business telling people they are racists or gammon or whatever for still taking that viewpoint.

All I said was that the outcomes of Brexit under a Conservative government might not represent the interests of the working class, which isn't a massively controversial statement, is it ?

But it wasn't what the post was about. It was about the extent to which the LP is fundamentally a m/c party with m/c values.

You might want to consider that the fact that being a Euroskeptic is no longer acceptable in Labour may relate to that change. At best it is extremely paternalistic for all of these people to claim they know better where the interests of the w/c lie.

It's a huge example of a difference between a party where workers speak for themselves, and one where others tell them what is good for them.

BirmaBrite · 02/10/2022 19:34

@Lozzybear and yet Grammar boy ended up at Leeds and Comp girl at Oxford.

Lidlcustardtart · 02/10/2022 19:37

sst1234 · 02/10/2022 13:08

Let’s see….

Labour laid the foundations for the economic problems this country has today. By creating a low wage economy and subsidizing employers through paying welfare to low paid workers. Result is that our economy is less automated and has lower productivity. Tories have never managed to get off this drug.

Labour are racist. The left usually are. And then dress it up by saying, oh but those words meant something else. They are never happier than when minorities know their place, living in ghettos, getting by on welfare, having enlightened white people taking the knee, or whatever on their behalf. As soon as a Black or Brown person has the audacity to do well, of they shun leftie politics, they are race traitors, coconuts or ‘superficially’ Black or Muslim.

Labour don’t know what a woman is. We’re heading that way already, but with Labour the trajectory will be faster to a time when some pervert turns up to teach in a school in cycling shorts and fake breasts/nipples, to satisfy his fetish. And anyone objecting will be breaking the law.

Labour front bench. Enough said.

This post is offensive and just really unintelligent - the left are racist? Rwanda policy anyone? Boris Johnson's 'letterboxes'? Not racist?

Areas with large % of ethnic minority voters in general vote labour. Are you implying they vote against their own interests?

MangyInseam · 02/10/2022 19:42

TomPinch · 02/10/2022 19:24

Some years back I read a book called 'Seasons in the Sun'. It was a history of the UK from 74 to 79.

From 74 to 76 government was in paralysis and all these hard-left oddballs were running amok. You had, for example, a school that decided to make all lessons voluntary, picketing of a business where the workers were content, and a committee of hospital porters demanding the right to vet who got admitted to the hospital on class grounds.

They were the Momentum of their day and definitely not representative of the working class, many of whom promptly voted Tory in 79 because they wanted a functioning society and economy.

When Corbyn was in charge of the Labour Party the same sort of people ran amok. Some of them were the very same people, just much older.

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That's very interesting. Oddballs is a good word.

I was in one of those classes when I first started school, with no structure or real lessons. It was just awful.

Though, thinking about it now, it seems like those same oddballs were the ones going in for weird inappropriate sex stuff with kids. Not necessarily in pervy way, but they somehow thought this was natural and kids should be treated like adults.

People without judgement.

Tillsforthrills · 02/10/2022 19:48

Lidlcustardtart · 02/10/2022 19:37

This post is offensive and just really unintelligent - the left are racist? Rwanda policy anyone? Boris Johnson's 'letterboxes'? Not racist?

Areas with large % of ethnic minority voters in general vote labour. Are you implying they vote against their own interests?

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Conservatives haven’t a leg to stand on when it comes to Racism.