To ask what people have against Labour?

[TheSmallestOneWasMadeline]

I have come across lots of people who, even while admitting that the Conservatives are far from ideal, seem to scrunch their nose up and say 'but, ew, Labour' when talking about politics.

I have to admit I dont understand what it is that people think is so terrible about them and nobody ever cares to elaborate! I always vote for them as I think their principles align pretty closely with my own even if I don't agree with absolutely e everything they stand for.

Could someone please explain what people think is so terrible about them that they would do a worse job at running the country than the Conservatives have done?

I won't ever vote labour because of Blair and the Middle East. That was it for me - even if I agreed with their standpoints (which I don't most of the time) I couldn't bring myself to do it. Their anti semitism makes it easier not to vote for them too. When I do the anonymous policy quizzes online at each election time, I always seem to lean conservative with a smatter of independent, I very rarely have labour policies included.

I do think that more people in my social circles who are out and out labour voters are a lot more vocal (f*ck Tory scum was a big social media craze during the last election etc) and a lot more aggressive than people who abstain / vote green / Lib Dem in the same social groups. However I'm not sure if that's just local to me, but it is off putting as well.

The children should be taken into care if their parents are homeless. And yes, the parents should be evicted if they don't pay the rent. Just like childless people are.

Ok what would you do with the homeless children? let them die on the streets? (they would soon start to smell) child prostitution? begging? what exactly would you do with the children of these undeserving poor?

In general, Labour would do a lot better if they concentrated on working people, making sure people were able to earn a respectable living through working instead of relying on benefits. It's the Labour party, Labour means work.

Apart from the misogyny, antisemitism, racism, homophobia and toxic namecalling I have no idea

Ok because its all privatised, a single child in care is being costed at 10k per WEEK (google it) in London its even more, councils spents over 800m on children in care.
These parents may have a score of reasons why they can't pay the rent, so may well perfectly loving parents but not only would you make them homeless, you'd separate them from their parents too, perhaps forever, when adopted.

Sorry this isn't about the Tories.

You were asked what if they can't pay the rent. Cannot, i.e. are unable to, possibly due to a job loss or health issue.

You're determined to make out like it's a choice.

What a nasty attitude.

Plenty of people on the right do that too. Try again…

There's absolutely no reason why a child in care should cost 10k per week. Where is that amount of money going and to whom?

And even it does cost 10k a week, it would cost far less in the long term as people would realise that there were consequences for feckless behaviour, and if you want to keep your children and your home, get a job and pay your way in life. Don't just sit around drinking or taking drugs and expect "society" to clean up after you.

I've no problem with paying benefits in the short term for people who lose their job, and in the long term for people who genuinely have health issues that prevent them from working. I have a major problem with paying benefits to people for whom joblessness is a "lifestyle choice". Or to those whose health issues are down to alcoholism or drug abuse.

1. The way they try and shut down differing viewpoints within their own party.

2)The way they seem to despise the working classes.

3. Their smugness.

4. The way they seem to think they have the moral high-ground, just because.

5. The way they seem to sneer at any kind of normal affection or value people have for sense of place or traditions.

And I won't count it in the same list, but I am extremely put off by their embracing of identity politics.

They basically remind me of a bunch of old stereotypical do-gooder busybodies. Always in other people's business, always telling them how to live right, always totally sure of their own ideas and understanding. When in fact they often don't know nearly as much as they think and are way out in left field on a lot of basic stuff.

Politically, my economics are probably more of the left than the right, sort of an E.F. Shumacher left, but I find their attitudes pretty insufferable, and also I think socially dangerous.

Their support of Trans rights which seem to trump their support of women’s rights is what I see mentioned a lot. They used to fiercely defend women’s rights but not so much now. They’re also seen as being weak on immigration.

I'll vote labour this time, but I'm pretty fluid politically. Like most people, if we are completely honest, I vote for whatever suits my circumstances best at the time and historically that has been Tory. I hadn't voted for Labour previously because the Corbyn Abbot combo just wasn't viable. Labour has always had the reputation of being for public sector, the unemployed and students, whereas Tory were seen as always more popular with grown ups and workers. Certainly when you look at the loud voices on social media, there are quite a lot of young Labour supporters shouting "how dare people vote Tory" and "string up the Tory voters" which is an attitude not seen in mainstream Tory. A good friend (in politics) once said "if you vote Tory in your 20s you don't have a heart, if you vote for Labour in your 30s you don't have a head". We are ready for a change, no doubt about it, I just wish our whole political system could be overhauled.

Woah.

Most people who find themselves needing state support at some stage in their lives are not feckless drug addicts.

Ok. So how do you tell the difference between someone who is circumstancially in the position where they need state support, and someone who is choosing it?

And how big a problem is it, in a big picture sense, compared to low wages, crumbling health and social care infrastructure, poor public transport and inadequate schooling?

If there has been any decimation of women's rights in the past 11 years, it must have been because the (Conservative) government have enacted laws that affect those rights.

And even it does cost 10k a week, it would cost far less in the long term as people would realise that there were consequences for feckless behaviour, and if you want to keep your children and your home, get a job and pay your way in life. Don't just sit around drinking or taking drugs and expect "society" to clean up after you

Do you want the poor and work houses bought back in, perhaps with a more modern twist, say with hot water and soap for free.

Labour isn't what it used to be. It's not to advance the rights of working class people. Its full of gender politics and the hard of thinking. It's been completely taken over by this. I would have happily voted for labour once and generally did. But I can't anymore. The speakers at the labour conference were a complete cringe joke.

A lot of this resonates

Having said that it wasn’t until Labour really turned me and many others off them. So I have voted Labour before, but they seem to have lost some of that positivity and opportunity Blair had, sadly, and replaced with list above.

Still they probably won’t have to do much to win voters back given climate.

I always find it remarkable when people accuse Labour of antiseminitism when Borisk Johnson wrote an entire book replete with anti-semitic tropes. He even referred to black people as 'picanninies' and having 'watermelon smiles'. It's almost as though that is tolerable. Under Keir Starmmer they're probably in with a chance but that's less to do with their popularity and more that the tories have absolutely tanked everything and made an unholy mess of it so much so that even those who usually benefit from toryism have taken issue.

I may give them a chance to be honest because The Tories are absolutely vile and I can not longer support them.
There are a few reasons I will find it hard to support Labour but the main ones are
The woke Bros and their misogyny concealed behind their Socialism
The fact that they see Socialism as a virtue rather than a political choice.
The idea that if we don’t agree with them it’s because we are too stupid to understand
The fact that we are high earners with a business and dc at Private school
The fact that when asked what he would say to Putin when the Sailsbury poisoning came to light Corbyn said he would ask him about gay rights
Anti semitism
The fact that I know and dislike the person who will probably stand as prospective MP in my area for Labour
That a Labour candidate knocked on my door a few years ago (we don’t live in a mansion or similar) and introduced himself followed by “ I doubt you would vote Labour living in a house like this”

However, the last few years have proved that The Conservatives are no longer the party I used to support and The Libs really aren’t a force to be reckoned with so I will probably vote Labour despite my dislike of them in principle. Plus I met Andy Burnham a few times are really like him (I know he’s not leader but they seem to have some decent people in the party)

This always puzzles me. It's been on the Tories watch that all the things which are so concerning have actually happened. Maybe the Tories are just better at avoiding that question

It's not one thing, peoples reasons vary.

For me, Labour have put up awful candidates since 2010 - really awful. One was even booted from the Labour party between being nominated by them and the election for something he did.

The party also suffers from Long Corybn, Sir Keir has done wonders for removing the stain. Sure Corybn is yesterdays man - but then so is Borris and he gets mentioned all the time. Sir Keirs inability to fire Angela Raynor last year made him look really weak, then he gave her a bunch more titles.

Sir Keir has yet to talk meaningfully (to my mind at least) about what his government will do - what is his key aim that he will focus his priorities on. If I vote for Labour - how will my life change ? Apart from being 'Not Tory' I honestly don't know: Infrastructure ? Targeted support to say Life Sciences ? Reform benefits ? Reform academies and MATs ?

Look at this: labour.org.uk/issue/economic-growth/ -- and ask yourself which party doesn't want items 1, 2 & 5. Item 3 sounds suspiciously like a union power grab.

You can throw the same accusations at the Tories and I would probably agree with you. That just means the Tories are going to lose the election rather than Labour will win it... Labour will win by being the 'Not Tory' party rather than a party that stands for specific change we can get behind.

Can you honestly answer - Why not Lib Dems instead of tired old Labour ? You would probably have the same reasons as why Labour are seen in the same way.

my post was meant to say - not until last election…