To ask what people have against Labour?

[TheSmallestOneWasMadeline]

I have come across lots of people who, even while admitting that the Conservatives are far from ideal, seem to scrunch their nose up and say 'but, ew, Labour' when talking about politics.

I have to admit I dont understand what it is that people think is so terrible about them and nobody ever cares to elaborate! I always vote for them as I think their principles align pretty closely with my own even if I don't agree with absolutely e everything they stand for.

Could someone please explain what people think is so terrible about them that they would do a worse job at running the country than the Conservatives have done?

That trite little slogan and blinkered view has the effect of moving self ID further down my list of priorities by the day.

Even if you don't care about women's rights; self ID undermines safeguarding, it undermines DBS background checks (there's a thread on the Feminist board that explains how).

We need Labour to step up now. What do they care most about, getting the Tories out or self ID?

That's ridiculous. He got the title through his services to his profession.

ilovesooty
pathetic, innit.
The Green Party has been utterly destroyed by this wank. Such an astronomical shame that it has taken priority over multiple other vastly more real and impending issues.

This first point shows a complete lack of knowledge AND critical thinking.

Agreed @TheHoover

You're the one who's blinkered if you aren't looking more critically into what the result of a self ID policy actually means for safeguarding, IMO.

I have to say that posters like you actually put me off voting Labour.

Having met Starmer more than once i hate this " oh he's a decent guy" rubbish. He's just as pompous and self serving as any tory politician, he's just better at hiding it. I would also never vote for any party that has the utterly vile Angela Rayner in a position of power! I was Labour through and through in my younger years but I increasingly find myself politically homeless.

It's like the people who voted for Biden though. They didn't know him. They just saw what they wanted to see. Some kindly grandfather type figure. Not a child hair sniffing, rip up women's rights, senile presenting incompetent man.

So strange that some posters are concerned about Momentum and the far left of the Labour Party, who have barely been heard from I the past two years, but not concerned about the far right ERG wing of the Conservative parry who are actually in power! (And already causing untold damage.)

Walking I heard he'd withdrawn before the first count because he wanted to focus on what he was doing.

However that doesn't mean I'm correct and will check if I can!

The far left really is the working class of old. And momentum that tried to support Corbyn to get into power were hugely slurred and portrayed as dangerous militants. This was caused from those closer to the centre, and that group is split by reasonable rational people and those who push their own ideologies. No wonder people are reeling as it's hard to get to the bottom of what has happened to their party and why. It's the ideology group close to the centre that have destroyed what labour really stood for, and the way they went about this was very calculated. The media has enabled this.

To be honest I probably would still vote for the Labour party of old. But it isn't that party any more. It pretends to be in order to draw in voters, but it isn't.

This is a thread about Labour.

Not everybody posts about their political opinions, but it's perfectly possible to hate the Tories (and not want to vote for them) and simultaneously be disappointed with (and unable to vote for) Labour.

That appears to be another left wing trait: assuming that not being keen on Labour means you support / vote for the Tories. So blinkered.

I love that it's the left that are apparently abusive but its fine to say Angela Rayner is 'vile' - based on what exactly?

Did you miss the point about calling people racists for holding what was a short time ago a very common perspective for a LP member?

Why do you think the LP has always, until the last few years, been dominated by EU skepticism?

Frankly if you can't answer that you have no business telling people they are racists or gammon or whatever for still taking that viewpoint.

So you don't think that someone who has come from a working class background and worked their way up, become a top lawyer and worked for the country as DPP is someone who should be running the country and inspiring others?

What would you prefer?

Someone who's been born into money, gone to a top public school due to their parents having money and having no idea what it's really like for people from a working class background and the realities of the challenges faced working your way out of low income or even poverty?

The fact that she uses the word " scum" to describe her fellow politicians! Not very professional and statesman like is it?

VickyEadieofThigh
Far be it from me to defend Labour (given the trans nonsense) but have you looked at Starmer's background and the reason he is a sir?

You are expecting people to vote based on facts, or having done any kind of basic reading, this is Britain, thats not how we do things here😛

Sad but true

I don't think this is accurate with regard to Momentum. They would like to think they are the "real" working class party of old.

But they are/were totally obsessed with identity politics, which is a new thing and frankly opposed to that old style w/c politics. They also seem to focus a lot less on things like jobs and protecting industry, their approach to these is very much the modern, open borders free trade stuff. Much as it embarrasses nice LP voters these days that is actually what they used to believe in.

I've never decided if they are just telling fibs to try and convince people that is what they stand for, or if they actually have quite a short political memory. I am somewhat inclined to the latter, looking at people like Owen Jones.

Not at all, I just can't see why those bothered by the extreme left aren't equally bothered by the extreme right. I wouldn't have voted for Labour under Jeremy Corbyn because I didn't like the ideological obsession but exactly the same can now be said about Liz Truss' leadership of the Conservative Party. The only difference is that she is in power so has the ability to do genuine damage.

Absolutely. And present self ID as putting them off voting Labour when some of them were going to vote Tory anyway while having no concerns about the poverty and misery experienced by many, including vulnerable women and children.

wait a minute, isn’t Hunt a multimillionaire, didn’t Stewart go to Eton? And Truss went to a comp!
You can’t have it both ways?

It didn't stop them having elements of basic decency.

I meant in the case of Stewart and Hunt. Truss wouldn't recognise decency if it bit her on the backside.

I suppose it's quite possible that there was division in momentum itself. There's certainly a lot to unpick.