To ask what people have against Labour?

[TheSmallestOneWasMadeline]

I have come across lots of people who, even while admitting that the Conservatives are far from ideal, seem to scrunch their nose up and say 'but, ew, Labour' when talking about politics.

I have to admit I dont understand what it is that people think is so terrible about them and nobody ever cares to elaborate! I always vote for them as I think their principles align pretty closely with my own even if I don't agree with absolutely e everything they stand for.

Could someone please explain what people think is so terrible about them that they would do a worse job at running the country than the Conservatives have done?

The type of school you go to does not in itself make you a decent human being (or not)

The far left/Momentum/Militant is primarily posh people/public sector workers.I doubt even 2% of them are both working-class and private sector workers.

Their capitulation to gender identity ideology and blatant disregard for women and children

Let’s see….

Labour laid the foundations for the economic problems this country has today. By creating a low wage economy and subsidizing employers through paying welfare to low paid workers. Result is that our economy is less automated and has lower productivity. Tories have never managed to get off this drug.

Labour are racist. The left usually are. And then dress it up by saying, oh but those words meant something else. They are never happier than when minorities know their place, living in ghettos, getting by on welfare, having enlightened white people taking the knee, or whatever on their behalf. As soon as a Black or Brown person has the audacity to do well, of they shun leftie politics, they are race traitors, coconuts or ‘superficially’ Black or Muslim.

Labour don’t know what a woman is. We’re heading that way already, but with Labour the trajectory will be faster to a time when some pervert turns up to teach in a school in cycling shorts and fake breasts/nipples, to satisfy his fetish. And anyone objecting will be breaking the law.

Labour front bench. Enough said.

@itsgettingweird Keir Starmer went to grammer school in Surrey, Liz Truss went to a comprehensive in Leeds. As someone who was educated at a Leeds comprehensive school who now has a DC at a grammar school in the South East, I know which one was the most privileged education wise.

I think for me , I’m hesitant to vote Labour because they are determined to bring in self id .

Frankly if you can't answer that you have no business telling people they are racists or gammon or whatever for still taking that viewpoint.

All I said was that the outcomes of Brexit under a Conservative government might not represent the interests of the working class, which isn't a massively controversial statement, is it ?

For a start you can stop Eddie Izzard using women’s facilities.

stop conflating Gender Critical views with being right wing . The Labour Party had missed a trick by alienating women by pandering to Trans rights and men’s rights sactivists

Yes! Exactly this. I would love to vote Labour, but now won't because of their contempt for the safeguarding of women and children. I won't vote Tory either.

'Not Tory' isn't good enough for Labour to win my vote back. Like a PP I wonder whether they have underestimated how alienated their core voters have become.

Are you really going there with that statement? Have you checked where the great majority leading the Conservatives went to school?

@Tillsforthrills yes I am because the poster was referring to the person in charge. Anyway that’s another argument against labour. I can’t stand comprehensive schools. They should be banned 😊.

I don't have anything against them. Although I haven't always voted Labour, I will be next time.

I found the NHS much much better under Labour. Even pre-covid the Tories had decimated it.

There were hardly any foodbanks either.

I won't engage in whataboutery about 'what a woman is', when I am a woman who - because of policies Tories brought in - cannot afford to eat!!

Quite. The Labour Party is entirely responsible for which toilet Eddie Izzard goes into. During their twelve years out of power they have managed to pass the little-known Izzard Law, allowing him to use whichever toilet he pleases.

The only answer is for Sir Keir to accompany him to the correct stall each time and stand outside.

Exactly.

Izzard isn't even a Labour candidate, let alone a Labour MP.

Maybe you should address your anger at the only MP who is a Trans? Jamie Wallis.

Strange how these threads appear when Labour are so far ahead in the polls.

Well, judging by current polls, most people currently have much less against Labour than against the Tories.

There are huge within-party as well as between-party differences; so you can't generalize about everyone in either party.

I think the party in government always gets the blame for things that go wrong, even if the problem is a global one. I do think that Labour got a very unfair rap for the banking crisis, which was global and NOT caused by Labour overspending. And to be fair, the Tories also get blamed for what is a global pandemic. One could argue in both cases about whether the governments responded maximally well to the crises, but they didn't cause the crises. Many Tories, however, lose a lot of my sympathy on this point by the way in which they blame Labour for seemingly everything that goes wrong - er, remind me who's been in power for the last 12 years. And 'But Jeremy Corbyn...'. who has been dumped by his own party, and is NOT the current alternative to Truss!

Labour under starmer is unelectable imo for lots of reasons.

But Jeremy Corbyn...'. who has been dumped by his own party, and is NOT the current alternative to Truss!

there for keir starmer and his bunch of clowns can fuck off as far I am concerned.

Well he went to grammar school because he passes the 11+.

It was still a state school.

Quite. The Labour Party is entirely responsible for which toilet Eddie Izzard goes into. During their twelve years out of power they have managed to pass the little-known Izzard Law, allowing him to use whichever toilet he pleases.

The only answer is for Sir Keir to accompany him to the correct stall each time and stand outside.

This actually made me chuckle

I'd rather not die on any hill to be honest.
The thing is about an opinion is that everyone is entitled to one. Just because you don't agree with it , doesn't make it wrong.
There are other reasons I wouldn't vote Labour..many of which are already in this thread. , this is just one of my reasons.
The thread is not about whether you think fox hunting is acceptable..it's about the Labour party and why you wouldn't vote for them.
Also Tony Blair and his Iraq war shitshow..
The fact that they can't tell you an answer on what a women is are more reasons .

Just look at the protesters outside the Tory conference in Birmingham compared to the protesters at the Labour conference in Liverpool to understand what sort of people will vote Labour 😂

I don’t think labour represents the working class anymore. Personally I think they throw money at their old heartland to buy votes to push through a liberal Islington agenda and think that’s why they are struggling to make inroads at a national level, because many see through their facade.

they used to be the party of opportunity for the working man (if you’ll pardon the expression) but now they don’t actually want people to better themselves. It’s much easier to buy their support when they are financially dependent on you

@Roughasabadgersbum

Fox hunting IS wrong to any sane person with a conscience.

But hey, allowing the upper class to take part in their jolly bloodlust is more important than the immense suffering they cause (not to mention the damage to the property of others - something Tories are more likely to care about than cruelty).