Jack Monroe off Twitter

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The latest in the ongoing saga is that JM has left Twitter after being 'hounded off'. The incident that seemed to provoke this...someone critiquing a photo of her mums roast potatoes. It just gets more and more bizarre.

To be clear, I don't like to see public pile ons and some of the abuse directed at Jack has been unpleasant. But a lot has also been reasonable, polite requests for information regarding her patreon which have largely been totally ignored. And her supporters have to be some of the most cruel people on Twitter. It seems like it's fine for JM to voice her opinion but as soon as others do the same they are called out for bullying. And ironically subjected to vile comments from her followers. Go figure.

Am I the only one who thinks she's probably best having a little Twitter break? But eventually if she's ever to redeem her reputation she needs to show some transparency regarding public donations.

IIRC she did say she'd gotten the police involved when he was stalking her but they said they couldn't do anything. I may not be remembering that correctly though. I don't know if she reported the sexual abuse claims.

the police are not always brilliant at getting justice for historic sexual abuse claims.

I am not arguing veracity or lack thereof, just saying that I personally feel uncomfortable dismissing claims which a person is clealry very emotional about, especially as historically, sexual abuse victims often found it difficult to be believed.

Anyway, not a nice subject to speculate upon. Agree to disagree as @JackTorrance says.

Yes agree with you there. And also that she bullshits about everything so unfortunately it's difficult to tell which of any of the stories she tells are true, have a kernel of truth or are downright lies.

#BeKindNotBlind

When claims are made and there is no proof at all, add a huge pinch of salt, especially when the person making those claims is a provable liar.
If someone is willing to lie about Grenfel, they will lie about anything they believe will garner them sympathy. Especially if it will give them yet another identity they can trot out to deflect criticism..

"You can't criticise because I'm: poor, single mum, disabled, was at Grenfell, done sex work, autistic, ADHD, stalker victim, abuse victim, trans, homeless, non binary, lesbian and more and more and more" - delete as appropriate and label everyone as trolls.

I personally feel uncomfortable dismissing claims which a person is clealry very emotional about

Jack is "clearly very emotional" about a lot of things. Emotion is often a useful tool that she employs to manipulate people and/or shut them up when she doesn't have a valid argument or is being called out in a lie. She has done this time and time again. That "historically, sexual abuse victims often found it difficult to be believed" is NOT helped by women who are untruthful, either to get revenge or to draw attention to themselves.

Every untruthful claim undermines a truthful woman.

She latches on to other people's experiences and whatever it is, it has happened to her, but worse. I think her tears are real because she genuinely feels that she should be the one getting all of the attention and she's genuinely upset that she isn't.

Awfully Molly has shown, using Jack's own posts, that she tells provable lies;Sarah Everard's dreadful murder isn't the only place she has inserted herself into - the Grenfell tragedy, for instance. People have died, and she makes everything about herself. It's awful! It isn't possible to know what is fantasy and what is (perhaps embellished) fact.

I would pity her if she wasn't so clearly unrepentant about taking money from people who have next to nothing to live on.

I dont' disagree with any of that. I just personally feel uncomfortable with typing or mouthing the words, I don't believe her, when it comes to accounts of sexual abuse.

Thinking about it, I would imagine that many women feel like that and so that in itself would make it easier to get away with telling a false story.

NOT saying that Jack is being untrue btw. Just literally thinking as I type!

Food for thought anyway. Thank you.

This, all of it!

I dont' disagree with any of that. I just personally feel uncomfortable with typing or mouthing the words, I don't believe her, when it comes to accounts of sexual abuse.

The thing is, it does harm to genuine victims if their words and experiences are hiijacked by someone else who is later found to have lied. It makes people think that all accusers are liars.

And sadly not all those who makes accusations of abuse are telling the truth. I have an acquaintance who wants to turn people against her ex, so has told endless stories of his abuse. Much as - like you - it sticks in my throat to say it, I don't believe her. And I say that as someone who has been on the receiving end of domestic abuse herself.

I just personally feel uncomfortable with typing or mouthing the words, I don't believe her, when it comes to accounts of sexual abuse.

@potniatheron Do you know the poem "Matilda" by Hilaire Belloc?

Matilda told such Dreadful Lies,
It made one Gasp and Stretch one’s Eyes;
Her Aunt, who, from her Earliest Youth,
Had kept a Strict Regard for Truth,
Attempted to Believe Matilda:
The effort very nearly killed her,

I feel that you are like Matilda's Aunt - desperately wanting to think the best of JM, but in your heart having to fight the cognitive dissonance that threatens to destroy you.

You seem a very kind and trusting person. Read and digest what is going on. Just wait and see how things play out. If you are right, she will be vindicated. If you are wrong, you'll learn the hard way.

I'd step back from JM's defence if I were you. Otherwise, it will break your heart.

It does, @SidewaysOtter .

TBH I should have said

"Every untruthful claim undermines 10,000 truthful women."

It is one of the worst things a woman can do, to other women and to the man in her sights (or the amorphous entity in her sights, if she just throws out hints and names no-one). It's a terrible accusation to make.

I don’t believe a single word she says about anything. It’s clear she is happy to lie about anything to get attention, detract from criticism.

For someone terrified of her stalker she’s quite happy to pose a selfie and declare she’s off to Asda to do her weekly shop. I remember she was once deadly allergic to tomatoes, and then she just wasn’t.

She’s the woman who borrowed her lawyers walking stick when going to court, I presume to make her look more vulnerable. I’ve never seen her use one any other time.

Im sure there will be more triggering and unsubstantiated stories to come considering how much criticism she is getting lately as well.

She’s the woman who borrowed her lawyers walking stick when going to court, I presume to make her look more vulnerable. I’ve never seen her use one any other time.

That's better call Saul sort of lawyering Jesus.

She has posted photos of her house, including lever arch files labelled patreons, packed full of papers. I assume that includes names and addresses ? Along with photos of her garden and doors with the locks. Never mind the so called and trolls and stalkers what is she doing to protect personal information ?

I don't think it's right to speculate about another woman's experience of abuse. Victims are rarely believed, rarely report and sexual abuse is a known factor in mental health breakdown and substance abuse. There are no perfect victims and I certainly don't believe that lying in one part of your life means you lie all the time.

Focus on the actual issues with JM's approach.

Unfortunately she choses to live her life in the public eye and speak about these things publicly, so speculation will be inevitable now that all the other inconsistancies have come to light.
The inconsistancies are the central issue with her approach so it's relevant.

Unfortunately when someone lies as frequently (and as obviously) as JM does, and when their response to even implied criticism is to become abusive and set her flying monkeys onto whoever has challenged her, the impression given is that she's lying about everything.

Every time she opens her mouth.

Every time she posts a tweet.

Every time she updates a blog.

Every time.

That's the thing with liars - nobody trusts them.

I’m generally uncomfortable disbelieving victims of sexual assault. But in Jms case, she has such a track record of telling lies to fuel her own narcissism. I don’t tend to believe anything she says at all - I don’t discount it may be true but I don’t believe it because she said it. it doesn’t help that it seems very unlikely that she has been stalked, repeatedly sexually assaulted and abducted and there is no evidence, even a police complaint.

I hope she isn’t lying as it’s utterly vile to lie about such things given the effect on other victims. But given that she has lied about so many things, I tend to think she is.

Saw on twitter, there's a Daily Fail article about her and Awfully Mollys blog.

Row between campaigner Jack Monroe and detractors flares up www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-11403551/Row-anti-poverty-campaigner-Jack-Monroe-detractors-flares-up.html?ito=native_share_article-nativemenubutton

That feels like a long time coming and just the tip of the iceberg to be honest.

I think momentum will start to build and so it should. She can't get away with what she's doing forever surely?

The patreon thing is really dodgy as is her trying to shut down where she donated charity money to

Very dodgy

Jack has been obsessed for a while with the idea that the Daily Fail will write about her, I wonder how she will respond to this?

I really wish they would not show her son's face in the article. I know he was only a toddler then but he still deserves privacy.

I know somebody had reported her to action fraud about the lack of transparency over her Teemill fundraiser. Does anyone know if there have been any updates from them?

I’m surprised they haven’t made more of the fact she took money from people to sue that MP and was going to return the money if she didn’t.

Very telling that The Daily Mail have turned their moderated comments off completely.
They've also repeatedly called her a 'Campaigner' and yet don't detail a SINGLE thing she's provably accomplished in over 10 years.

She's a grifter, they know it, they likely have far more info than they've put in that write up but probably have to be very careful.

I think the Mail is just dipping their toe in the water here. Seeing how the land lies. There’s more to come.