Liz Truss - why didn't we realise?

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Turn the clock back a month, and we knew she was stupid, and that more than likely she was the wrong choice for a sensible, responsible prime minister - but did people join the dots and realise that she was such an ideologue / so in thrall to ideologues?

AIBU to say that the media didn't spell out exactly what a Truss premiership meant?

She and Kwazi have written a book on exactly what's happening now for god's sake! Why wasn't the possibility they would act on it examined in more detail?

I'm not a member of the Tory party - did they realise what they were voting for?

"We" did realise, but "we" didn't get a say because "we" are normal and sensible not CONservative Party members

Oh, I like those stats as I usually vote Green or Lib Dem…

I certainly wasn't fully informed. I'm not a Tory member or voter but follow politics with some interest.... I read a lot in the papers and on Twitter about her; I saw a lot of comments that she was not very bright but I didn't see anything which spelled out her extremist views on economic matters. What has happened in the last few days has taken me by surprise somewhat.

Except economics History isn’t an economics degree, it’s a history degree. I’ve read the course modules at Oxford where he went, it’s all social history and how historic and ancient economies affected social history. There’s nothing practical in his degree as in how economies actually work.

You can admire extreme ideology but still realise it's a pipe dream to put it all into practice!

It was a PhD not a degree and from Cambridge. It was on the debasement of currency in England.

He worked as an analyst JP Morgan and then worked for a hedge fund. He understands basic economics.

It was a PhD not a degree and from Cambridge. It was on the debasement of currency in England.

In the 1600s.

I'm not a tory member so can't vote but I'd have gone for rishi

But now I'm going for keir in the next Election.

I really liked his speech yesterday. I hate Angela raynor but there are plenty of knobs in the tory party so it's what it is.

If they want to make money and don’t care about their heirs, they should release the equity on their mortgage free homes and spend it. House price drops following current situation won’t help them there.

Everyone new she/for us were twats.from day one.12 years they've gently screwed us into the ground.baffoon nor is seemed to do it better because he baffooned around in front of people's eyes so they missed his Tory twattishness going on or was actually conducting sorcery.
Everyone I see as sensible said this would happen.poor sunak said this would happen!
She's just sped it up.

Party membership had to choose between a woman and a person from the colonies - they chose the lesser of two evils. After all, the blessed Margaret wasn't too bad. Bunch of misogynist racists.

Why wasn't the possibility they would act on it examined in more detail?

Because over 80% of U.K. media is owned by right wing, tax exiling billionaires. They and the many party members who voted wanted this. They think it’s necessary to switch to an even further deregulated state - as has been mentioned a Singapore on Thames.

There’s 2 types of Tory- evil or thick. It doesn’t surprise me that they make the worst possible decision given the opportunity.

As I said above the ERG plan is to turn the U.K. into a low tax, low, reg, low social protection economy - Singapore meets the US. First the Brexiters needed to get rid of the EU, and now this is Part Deux.

I think you're overestimating the abilities of LT and KK. I think they've fucked up - haven't seen many (any?) MPs rushing out to defend them. I honestly wouldn't be surprised if one or both of them are gone by Christmas.

I think we can all agree this is an absolute indictment on tory membershop voting and if the party has any sense they'll just coronate future leaders in between elections from now on.

I was always in favour of Liz Truss winning as I'm a labour voter and supporter!

Rishi knew. But the Tory voters who voted Liz Truss don't care because they want the tax cuts. The right wing press? They probably don't care either because they're run by media moguls who will make a lot of money from all of this. By the time Labour get in (and they will), all the wealth will have been squirrelled away and we will be in deep recession. Tories don't care because they're handing a poisoned chalice to Labour.

I mean her opponent in the race literally told us this is what the consequence of her extreme economic position would be.

I’m not sure you can claim to follow politics and simultaneously not have been aware that there were warnings that Liz Truss’ economic policy would destabilise confidence in the UK economy, fuel inflation and potentially involve the IMF.

True, but the principles of debasement/inflation haven’t changed.

Arguably we are all a piece of live PhD fieldwork.

I think the newspapers did make it clear what she stood for. She explained what she was going to do - indeed, Sunak explained in a leadership debate exactly what the consequences of her policy would be.

If I'd had a vote (and I'm not a Tory), I'd have voted for Sunak. In fact, as I understand it, Sunak had the support of the majority of MPs. But the Tory members are a different kettle of fish.

Those who gave her the job knew exactly what she would do because they are the ones instructing her. Nothing she’s done is ACCIDENTAL! She made a few rich people a lot of money. That was her job.

They have fucked up, because the whole ERG has fucked up - they are delusional. Don’t forget they were gunning for No Deal with WTO rules. Truss does not have the brains to think up this shit on her own. She’s just a puppet.

'we' had no choice in the matter, and so those who disagree with their MP's choice can express their feelings at the next election.

I think it was absolutely clear what she would do, I haven't been surprised by any of it!

I'm not a Tory voter so can't really comment on what those people thought they were getting, but in general many people tend to vote very narrowly on self-interest, rather than considering the bigger picture. I think the fact that the Tory MPs wanted Sunak speaks volumes - they are more concerned about electability than the members.

YABU. It was pretty clear she would be a disaster and that Rishi was by far the better candidate.

Kwarteng has a degree in Classics and History, and his PhD is titled Political thought of the recoinage crisis of 1695-7. I don't think Kwarteng is a stranger to debasing currency.