Bloody hell, we are being governed by an idiot

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Well, I knew that already, but every day she shocks me with the heights her deluded self-confidence goes to

Liz Truss had to be convinced to issue statement amid market turmoil after mini-budget

news.sky.com/story/liz-truss-had-to-be-convinced-to-issue-govt-statement-to-calm-markets-after-meeting-with-chancellor-12706352

Spot on - There's a person whom I have always found to be credible but I am angry for him to have disappeared from politics when he was arguably most needed.

Labour are polling 17 points ahead (and that doesn't take into account conerence or Truss' radio appearences this morning).

So even by your logic you'd have to conclude voters are satsified with Starmer's level of charisma, or don't care about a lack of it.

They kicked out all the decent one-nation thoughtful Tories and have left us with swivel-eyed loons intent on wanton destruction. A UKIP Tory party in hock to a cabal of rich backers and disaster capitalists. They are both incompetent and evil, this is the end game of the nonsense that Brexit always was playing out in real-time.

@Croque@Croque - oh to have Rory Stewart back. Watched that last night and thought it tells us a lot about the current Tory party when he described himself as to the centre left of the party. He is very scathing of the current mob of tories.

It not fair on Rory Stewart for you to project your anger at the state of our politics onto him. Listen to what he says about how damaging it was to him as a human being, it took a huge toll. And he feels that, certainly as an MP, you actually have little power to change things for your constituents. He does not owe you to be your personal saviour. He’s writing a book about his experiences in politics, when it comes out, I suggest you read it. Perhaps also listen to his series on How to Argue on BBC Sounds. But ultimately, if you are waiting for your Prince across the water, you wait in vain.

Kier took the scenic route towards becoming popular and electable. Wait for the power thirsty ideologues to destroy themselves and come up smelling of roses without lifting a finger. I do question whether he is too chilled out though.

Sorry Croque, didn't mean to tag you twice! Meant to tag @Mischance .

It’s horrific watching these dangerous idiots at work. They’ve even further trashed the economy, needlessly. What the hell else do the Tory party need to see happen before they will call a vote of no confidence in this terrible PM?
We need a general election!

Thanks! I know that he doesn't owe the electorate anything. I do not see him as a saviour but one of the last competent Tories we had. Despite his reputation, even Moggy could have done a better job but he is another example of a talented individual who will not drink from the poisoned chalice. It will take an electoral defeat and a genuine reshuffle before we have the decent makings of a Tory government. It is a long term project.

Rory Stewart would have made an excellent PM

I am not projecting anger on Stewart, just commenting that he talks common sense - I find it refreshing, but am not asking him to be my saviour; just hoping that the country can turn up some more people with clear heads and honest motives who actually care what happens to us all - ALL being the important word.

I do not blame him for getting out of politics - it is a dirty game.

That was an interesting interview. Who is that guy? I've never seen/heard of him before.

He was the PM we could have had instead of the johnson we got.

Again I say that people should have to research before they cast their vote and actually know who they are inflicting on the rest of us. Voting is a right and with rights come responsibilities.

Rory is a decent person but realistically speaking, he never had the financial backing and the spin machine to compete with Boris who had already spent ten years raising his political profile. His fine thinking skills were lost on large swathes of the Tory membership! His couchsurfing idea came from a good place but it must have alienated him even further from many of them!

Just saw her comments on how she believes that her budget (aka crashing the pound) is “what she thinks is right”. Fuck the Tories.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/19/tory-leadership-race-stewart-out-as-johnson-extends-lead

I think that people would vote for a herd of sheep at this stage. It's a case of ANYONE BUT TRUSS!

I've never met Kier so I don't know how charismatic he is in real life. In order to get us out of this horrendous situation, even the best politicians are going to have to try to 'sell' very hard to swallow policies. I just hope that he can manage to bring the country together to get behind him. If I was his PR person I would work on giving him a 'fun' side. A photo of him smiling might help!

As another said (apologies, it was on another page so I can't remember who - somebody with Autumn in their username maybe?), someone steady and stable is VERY appealing right now.

Her line about being a working class lass from a unionist background who saw the light and abandoned her family's political leanings for Toryism seemed to appeal to a lot of party members and of course, her face fitted. In an anti-immigration climate, they were not swayed by the story of a hard working Ugandan immigrant family producing a uber wealthy boy wonder. Rishi's chances were probably over before the contest even began.

Mid-August a few posters on a different thread were not happy that Sunak wasn't purporting taking drastic action and quickly. At that time I argued that I believed he was correct, that sometimes you need to observe patterns during a period of volatility, before deciding on the best course of action. My opinion wasn't popular.

I argued for Sunak over Truss when it was whittled down to those two, as she was dangerous in my view, while he was more astute, more experienced and had more relevant skills for the financial situation that was looming. I still can't understand how the hell she won! It's interesting that that guy (Stewart?) in that interview linked above said that Sunak won the MP vote, so it was the membership presumably who swung it in Truss' favour. It will be the sorriest decision they ever made (unless they're hedge fund managers of course).

And now we have Kwasi Karteng going to said hedge fund lads to say 'here, listen lads, you could have been a little more subtle and at least pretended you didn't have inside info'.

What is certain is that thanks to the events of the last few days, some of their cronies have multiplied their wealth many time over. It's pretty sickening really. It may have been loosely promised as a condition for backing Liz which is why she is 'sorry, not sorry' and not bewildered about the consequences..

It's interesting that that guy (Stewart?) in that interview linked above said that Sunak won the MP vote, so it was the membership presumably who swung it in Truss' favour.

That's Rory Stewart..

And there's no "presumably" about who swung it for Truss:

Sunak won the MP's vote:

Sunak 137 votes

Truss 113. votes

The process then went to the final stage which was a vote of the whole of the Conservative Party Membership,

Truss:57%
Sunak 43%

The membership were vocal about the face that they would feel uneasy trusting a bame candidate. It costs something like a fiver or a tenner to join so plenty of bigoted , unmoneyed right wingers have signed up in the last few years. Many are at the right end of the spectrum. It makes them feel directly empowered. They would never have let it happen.

There's 100 or so votes missing. Abstentions?