Rupa Huq

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www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/rupa-huq-jake-berry-keir-starmer-kwasi-kwarteng-labour-b1028459.html
Just when I'm starting to get on board with voting Labour, one of their MPs comes out with something like this.
Ms Huq was said to be sitting next to Labour chairwoman Anneliese Dodds when she made the remarks.
In the audio, Ms Huq could be heard saying: “Superficially he is a black man.
“He went to Eton, I think, he went to a very expensive prep school, all the way through, the top schools in the country.
“If you hear him on the Today programme, you wouldn’t know he is black.”

i’ve always quite liked RH.I think she just said what a lot of people think tbh.
Worded it badly though.

And the implicit belief within that, that all white people are racist.

White people are not one homogenous group, just like any other ethnicity

He's a big part of the problem of racism in society today isnt he

What does he plan to do about that?

He has. He immediately suspended her

Yes. I think she is a woman from an ethnic minority stating that, just because the conservatives have some people of colour doesn't mean their needs/views will be represented. As we see from Kwarteng's budget and other policies. Unfortunately, she really phrased it terribly and I think Starmer did the only right thing by acting so quickly.

@bellac11

Because he feels like Kwarteng doesn't represent black Britains, and he isn't passionate about addressing the challenges they face? That makes DH a big part of racism today? Er....OK I'll tell that to all the young black guys from inner city London he currently mentors.

@gnilliwdog Yes absolutely!

It wasnt phrased terribly, she said what she meant which was the tired old stereotype of if a black person (whether black African or black Caribbean) is 'posh', then they're not living or behaving like a black person

It doesnt quite get said as much about Asian (as in indian subcontinent) people because traditionally that demographic has had a history in business/middle class jobs such as doctors, dentists etc although as another poster has unfortunately pointed out she has 'friends' who also said this about Priti Patel.

Its vile whichever way it comes from. The current chancellor has no intention of meeting the needs/views of ANYONE in this country who arent disaster capitalists, it makes no odds what colour they are.

Its also not the case that anyone should have views or beliefs that align with the views or beliefs of other people of their class, ethnicity, religion, sex, sexuality. People are not obliged to do anything for people who are 'like' them in some way or other.
He will have to live with the infamy of being the stupidest and most underhand chancellor (and probably the most short lived) in history.

I heard a discussion on the news the other day where it was compared to a budget from 1972 which apparently went down in history as being the worst ever. It was a disaster for about 5 years.

Thats not what she said and not what you said either

So you're being disingenuous.

I couldnt care less what you tell to who, what sort of stupid comment is that?

All of you saying "phrased terribly" and "said what we were all thinking" are really on some BS.

Good to know that you think this way about how black people should speak, think, act, and be educated.

How nice to think such anti-black statements are mere poorly-worded phrases.

No it's not really. It's a bit like NAMALT, if you're not that kind of white person then there's no need for offence. There's no need to caveat all comments with "some white people" as it's basically assumed.

Can’t believe the number of comments say “what she was trying to say” or “to put it into context”. It was a bloody outrageous comment and we should call out racism wherever it is found, even if it is aimed at a conservative.

awful comment and shame on those looking to excuse it

It is ridiculous to argue that black people who are wealthy and relatively privileged aren't "authentically" black.
As if people of African origin are a monolith who all hold the same opinions, experiences and values.
Nobody would make that argument about white people.

Exactly. As if we all come from the gutter, all suffer and have lived a life of suffering.

She did not call him a 'picanninie.' She said if you look at him he is black, but that he comes from a vastly different background to the 46% of Black British households that live in poverty. That was in answer to an audience point about whether having black representation in the government would improve outcomes for the black community. I am paraphrasing, because her wording was unacceptable, but I think what she was saying was very different to name calling. If you had a female boss and she made life particularly difficult for women at work, you might say she looks like a woman but acts like a man. No, it wouldn't be right to say so, but I don't think the sentiment is sexist. It's about the disappointment of having a female boss who doesn't try to help other women. I have never said the language she used or her assumptions were OK, but I understand there may be people from ethnic minorities who feel this way.

@gnilliwdog

Oh, so because she did not call him a "picaninnie" or call him names ... that is really your argument here?

Oh of course, I must remind myself as a black person that for anti-black statements to be taken seriously that it needs to be racism as YOU know it.

What she said was inappropriate, highly offensive, and wrong, stop trying to explain it away . I noticed you also omit the other things she has said about him being superficially black- which she links to his education, and the way that he speaks.

It is one thing to not agree with Kwarteng's plans. It is another thing to attack his blackness, and say he is "superficially black" due to the way that he was educated and the way that he speaks.

She did just that, and you have to stop justifying this due to the fact she did not say overt racist vulgar words.

She certainly wasn’t name calling! Calling black children piccannis with with watermelon smiles which BJ did is much worse that what
RH was trying (badly ) to say!

Johnson didn't quite do that though. His words were appalling, that is indisputable, but he was satirising the POV of Blair on his foreign visits rather than using racist slurs 'as himself' as it were.

What is the obsession here with comparing ?
Wtf.

These are ALL BAD. Why the need to say this is "better" than the other? So because it's not a "name" he was called, it is somehow "better"? Do you really hear what you are saying?

Jesus Christ.

@Quirkyme I apologise. Using the word superficial was offensive, though I interpret it differently to you. To me it meant that although KK is black, his experience is very different to many Black British people and he may not be able to understand all their struggles. It's your right to be offended, though I understand that there are varying views amongst black people and ethnic minorities.

@Alltheprettyseahorses Ok, fair enough. I didn’t know that, but you can’t not accept that he’s said a whole lot of other very objectionable stuff!

@gnilliwdog

Then she shoulda said that. She should have said "his experience may be different to many black British people's struggles, and there may be some struggles he may not be able to understand". Oh how easy it was to string that sentence together, hey?

We often say that particular sentence about white politicians but somehow it was so difficult for her to do so about a black person? No, she was and is articulate to say that sentence just there.

She said exactly what she said because that is how she feels.

I would also like to say that you can acknowledge a person's from a minority group's feelings without having to add on "though I understand the varying views amongst black peoples and ethnic minorities."

It is really weird to think that authentic black people are all poor and talk with street accents.

There is an entire continent of black people with every range of class, wealth and accent contained there.

Right?

Like what exactly is difficult to comprehend about this.

There is an element of the Far Left that only likes people of colour if they know their place, don't ask for too much and are happy and grateful to take orders from their white middle class Far Leftist 'saviours'. Oh and vote Left of course.

If they dare to step out of line by inheriting generational wealth, making lots of money, or shock horror having opinions of their own, such as embracing conservative politics, then woe betide them - they are only 'superficially' of colour.

For some of the Far Left, racisim is a feature not a bug.

The funny part of it to me is I'm from an immigrant background and social conservatisim, getting an excellent education, a good career and seeking to create wealth to pass onto your children were all very closely held beliefs in my community. Wearing a Never Kissed a Tory t-shirt, waving the red flag and singing the Internationale, not so much.