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Black Monday anyone? The tories should be in jail

994 replies

Upthebracket22 · 26/09/2022 06:51

The pound is now at its lowest point against the dollar since decimalisation in 1971 at 1.03. It’s probably going lower and the Bank of England will likely need to step in with an emergency interest rate rise today. Black Monday possibly?

All because of the mini budget on Friday. The Tories should be in jail. Especially if their rich backers were shorting the pound as it appears to get rich.

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BambinaJAS · 26/09/2022 13:24

GoTeamRocket · 26/09/2022 13:21

I didn't hear Rachel Reeves interview today.

BUT I would trust her in running the economy any day over Kwasi Kwarteng.

The tories only care about their rich mates. From Johnson promoting his friend financial backers and supporters to the House of Lords, to Truss throwing most of the population under the bus to please her rich mates.

i genuinely didn't think things could get worse after Johnson. But it just has.

What they are doing now is disaster capitalism masquerading as libertarian ideology.

KK knows exactly what he is doing.

Now you will see US & Other buyout groups buy up distressed UK assets on the cheap.

Orangesandlemons77 · 26/09/2022 13:29

There was a mention upthread that MPs could refure to vote for the budget is that correct? How might that pan out?

Freudenhaus · 26/09/2022 13:29

talk about wardrobe falling on you with the key in the lock

Orangesandlemons77 · 26/09/2022 13:29

*refuse

scaredoff · 26/09/2022 13:29

baroqueandblue · 26/09/2022 10:07

The Conservatives will lose votes from many sections of the electorate who voted for them before. Labour does not provide an effective alternative. What is needed is trust and those who voted conservative last time, who will be willing to vote away, do not see a clear choice. That is the elephant in the room.

Elephant in which room? We're hardly unaware that many people's favourite pastime seems to be contempt prior to investigation where Starmer's Labour are concerned. Miliband wasn't good enough, Corbyn was a terrorist supporter and anti-Semite (except he wasn't - read the conclusions of the Forde report unless you want to go on lying to yourself) and Starmer isn't good enough either. Yet by that shamefully weak logic, the Tories, who are dragging the country they have eviscerated in the last 12 years into economic Armageddon for most of us, are doing a better job than any Labour government could possibly do?

Take your thinly-veiled far right agenda and shove it up the ar*ehole of the UK. Thanks to the Tories, it's gaping wide open.

Yep. And you forgot Brown. Starmer is now the fourth Labour leader who the poor concerned "sensible" centrists who just want a "reasonable" alternative "can't" vote for - despite those four covering the entire spectrum from radical left to barely-distinguishable-from-Tory.

Can people please just be honest about the fact that they're going to stick to the neoliberal capitalist model and the Tories as "natural party of government" of it, NO MATTER WHAT - because at least it makes them feel safe about their house value and income tax rates - and it doesn't make one jot of difference what Labour do because there will ALWAYS be an excuse not to vote for them?

Freudenhaus · 26/09/2022 13:30

Orangesandlemons77 · 26/09/2022 13:29

There was a mention upthread that MPs could refure to vote for the budget is that correct? How might that pan out?

yes, but they renamed this Budget a 'fiscal event' to circumvent votes and OBR reporting

SleeplessInEngland · 26/09/2022 13:31

Honeslty with the reaction to this and the prospect of the pound going below the dollar I think it's 50/50 Truss is still in the job by next year. Even tory backbenchers are realising there's no broader mandate for this shit.

scaredoff · 26/09/2022 13:31

Dogtooth · 26/09/2022 10:32

This is what Brexit was for. It's disaster capitalism and they want to smash the country up so they can reshape it how they want. And make a fortune in the meantime. If they can't sort out their own mess, they'll still have made a mint and can just waltz off and leave the mess for Labour to sort.

All that pesky EU redtape people were so keen to cut was protection for employment rights, the environment, fair markets etc.

Britannia Unchained.

It's all out there, in the public domain, as it was before the referendum for anyone interested to look. And one Elizabeth Truss was one of the authors of it.

But oh no, "this is not what people voted for!"

Meili04 · 26/09/2022 13:35

They are going to have to raise the rates again thank god BoE are somewhat independent. We need a GE to get this shower of shit out .

Freudenhaus · 26/09/2022 13:35

scaredoff · 26/09/2022 13:31

Britannia Unchained.

It's all out there, in the public domain, as it was before the referendum for anyone interested to look. And one Elizabeth Truss was one of the authors of it.

But oh no, "this is not what people voted for!"

other authors being KK and Priti Patel

The point is only 80,000 people voted for her. Hardly put to the public was it

SerendipityJane · 26/09/2022 13:36

SleeplessInEngland · 26/09/2022 13:31

Honeslty with the reaction to this and the prospect of the pound going below the dollar I think it's 50/50 Truss is still in the job by next year. Even tory backbenchers are realising there's no broader mandate for this shit.

Next year ? She'll be lucky to see the week out I suspect

MissHavishamsMouldyOldCake · 26/09/2022 13:37

A mere three weeks in the job (half that time was mourning period so doesn't even count) and she's managed to completely fuck the economy.

#girlboss

vera99 · 26/09/2022 13:38

Freudenhaus · 26/09/2022 13:35

other authors being KK and Priti Patel

The point is only 80,000 people voted for her. Hardly put to the public was it

I have more prisons....

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Defunct_prisons_in_England

SerendipityJane · 26/09/2022 13:39

Meili04 · 26/09/2022 13:35

They are going to have to raise the rates again thank god BoE are somewhat independent. We need a GE to get this shower of shit out .

The BoE can easily be silenced and taken back into Government control. Especially if they dare to challenge The Will Of The People (®)

DIanaRiggFan · 26/09/2022 13:48

Tories are royally butt fucking us

Lalalolol · 26/09/2022 13:49

PolarPolly27 · 26/09/2022 11:56

Yes - there are lots of people with cash available ready to snap up repossessions.

Sadly foreign investors would. And even if there were local people with enough cash, what about the ones who are losing their homes? Where would they go?

SerendipityJane · 26/09/2022 13:50

Lalalolol · 26/09/2022 13:49

Sadly foreign investors would. And even if there were local people with enough cash, what about the ones who are losing their homes? Where would they go?

To hell ?

vera99 · 26/09/2022 13:50

To all the Tories on this thread, I give you our new PM and ask you all to stand in honour.

Welikebeingcosy · 26/09/2022 13:52

Hermione101 · 26/09/2022 12:38

Say it louder for the people in the back!

I was actually glad we didn't have an economy like the USA where people have to work three or four jobs to pay rent on a tiny apartment and afford the cost of food over there. Looks like that is where we are headed.

generalh · 26/09/2022 13:53

And they all say Labour tanks the economy

icelolly12 · 26/09/2022 13:54

Are people writing to their local MP? They need to know we're angry!

ancientgran · 26/09/2022 13:55

Lalalolol · 26/09/2022 13:49

Sadly foreign investors would. And even if there were local people with enough cash, what about the ones who are losing their homes? Where would they go?

If they are lucky they will be renting their house.

BambinaJAS · 26/09/2022 13:58

Meili04 · 26/09/2022 13:35

They are going to have to raise the rates again thank god BoE are somewhat independent. We need a GE to get this shower of shit out .

Implied interest rate expectation by mid 2023 is now 6%

That is incredible.

The UK economy is going to deflate like a bursting balloon.

scaredoff · 26/09/2022 14:00

Whatafeckinpalaver · 26/09/2022 10:20

To be fair that’s not what the poster said. They were blaming Corbyn for the fact we now have a Tory government as he was never going to be electable, yet his supporters failed to grasp that. I hate the tories more than anyone and don’t think for a second we would be in this mess with Labour - even Corbyn’s Labour, but it’s irrelevant when there was never any realistic chance of him being in power. I really hope people manage to grasp this before the next GE or we really are fucked.

Labour grasped that and put Starmer in charge. Now there's no shortage of people saying how there's "no effective opposition" and no point voting Labour because they'd barely change anything. And you know what? They're right.

This is a fucking ridiculous circular argument. Labour under Corbyn produced two manifestos outlining a different way of taking the country forward. People made a free choice not to elect them. But they remain unelected because people didn't elect them, not the other way around. The fact that they didn't get elected doesn't prove retrospectively that they were "unelectable". To be electable, all people had to do was vote for them, which was a choice.

There's a serious point here. We're in the early stages of momentous historical change. This is not just your everyday minor squabble about whether the base rate of tax should be 20% or 19%, within a balanced mixed-economy consensus that most people feel comfortable in and trust to look after their future prosperity. This is the death throws of the international capitalist system that has never really recovered since 2008, combined with the additional unprecedented challenges of climate change.

Most people are in complete denial about the scale of radical change that is necessary, and is GOING to happen one way or another - whether from the left, as Labour attempted in 2017 and 2019, or from the right supporting Trump's attempted takeover of American democracy and now winning government in Italy. Meanwhile, they convince themselves that they obviously "CAN'T" vote for someone who has a beard and was the subject of a series of fabricated character assasinations by the right wing press. They can't vote for him because he's unelectable, and he's unelectable because they can't vote for him!

I'm not even saying all Labour's proposals for change were the right ones. But anyone who thinks we're still in ground central exercising healthy suspicion about anyone suggesting changes that require more than a three-word soundbite to understand, is kidding themselves. That ship has sailed.

Radical change from the left under Corbyn was one of the options. The other was radical change from the right, which is what we're now getting. The difference is that Corbyn was honest about it.