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Black Monday anyone? The tories should be in jail

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Upthebracket22 · 26/09/2022 06:51

The pound is now at its lowest point against the dollar since decimalisation in 1971 at 1.03. It’s probably going lower and the Bank of England will likely need to step in with an emergency interest rate rise today. Black Monday possibly?

All because of the mini budget on Friday. The Tories should be in jail. Especially if their rich backers were shorting the pound as it appears to get rich.

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midgetastic · 26/09/2022 12:56

What is needed isn't land and reduced regulation.

It's money being taken from the rich and used to start the projects already agreed like the giga batteries factories which could help us generate an economy that sells energy

You know - make something the world needs that have a slightly longer payback time than the average rich git can tolerate

the80sweregreat · 26/09/2022 12:56

I can't see anything happening really
The conservatives will just cross their fingers and hope it'll be ok. Another leadership contest isn't what any of us need

MermaidEyes · 26/09/2022 12:57

Bestcatmum · 26/09/2022 12:47

According to the BBC news tory MPs have already started putting in letters of no confidence again.
How long must this farce go on.

Where's Bill Murray when you need him?

PeekAtYou · 26/09/2022 12:58

Did you also see the statement made by the Chancellor that there's more tax cuts coming ?

sóh₂wl̥ · 26/09/2022 12:58

Reeves was good, she’s always good. She’s a former BoE economist and knows exactly what she’s talking about. She said the chancellor has his foot flat n the floor on the accelerator while the BoE is stamping on the brake. Absolutely spot on.

I actually agreed with that point - but overall still thought the interview was still poor.

I'm also aware of her background - though I admit I usually have more of an idea about the shadow cabinet than I currently do but I think our news consumption has dropped since covid - though it's also widened taking advantage that we can get other countries news channels.

vera99 · 26/09/2022 12:59

Well, 83% of the folk on this thread want them in jail. I have found one that is currently unused and in a previous incarnation housed Oscar Wilde. Maybe Labour could put it in their manifesto😁

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Reading

StJeanDeVence · 26/09/2022 13:01

I want to see the back of the Human Hand Grenade as much as anyone, but through a general election asap, not another interminable Tory beauty contest.

the80sweregreat · 26/09/2022 13:05

Ok, so we get another one .. soon
who would take over this time ?
Her cabinet isn't one of the better line ups I've seen , maybe Boris Johnson might fancy his chances again ?
Who knows ?

scaredoff · 26/09/2022 13:05

Batdad12 · 26/09/2022 08:35

The pound collapse isnt all bad news, it makes british goods much cheaper for other countries to buy. it is possible that may well boost our exports and that may then indeed generate growth. perhaps things need to get worse in order to get better.
Anyone that claims to be able to predict the long term effects of these kind of changes is deluded, markets are incredibly complex. really the only way we find out if this works or not is to wait and see, and i highly doubt Liz Truss is deliberately wrecking the economy to make the bankers a short term buck, it just doesnt make any sense. it looks to me like shes surprisingly demonstrated some character by taking a bold decision that goes against the grain. It will either work or it wont.

Wow, that's good to know.

Here I was thinking there was some meaning behind the discipline called Economics, which attempt to identify factors of cause-and-effect, model them theoretically, observe them empirically and build up a body of useful predictive knowledge over time, and a reason why people do degrees in it and earn good salaries in a variety of settings practising it.

And it turns out it's just a big game of "throw everything up in the air and see where it lands!!!"

Freudenhaus · 26/09/2022 13:06

It is unfathomable that a politician/chancellor can look in almost real time to see the devastation Tayyip "Field of Dreams" Erdogan and Victor Orban are wreaking on their respective economies and go "yeah, that could work"...

Thinking that you know best and that every other economist save the barmy Minford is wrong and falling for some hedgies blowing smoke up your arse is borderline mentally ill.

Freudenhaus · 26/09/2022 13:07

scaredoff · 26/09/2022 13:05

Wow, that's good to know.

Here I was thinking there was some meaning behind the discipline called Economics, which attempt to identify factors of cause-and-effect, model them theoretically, observe them empirically and build up a body of useful predictive knowledge over time, and a reason why people do degrees in it and earn good salaries in a variety of settings practising it.

And it turns out it's just a big game of "throw everything up in the air and see where it lands!!!"

There is a reason they blocked the OBR

Thelnebriati · 26/09/2022 13:08

It is unfathomable that a politician/chancellor can look in almost real time to see the devastation Tayyip "Field of Dreams" Erdogan and Victor Orban are wreaking on their respective economies and go "yeah, that could work"...

It really isnt unfathomable though because our idea of 'work' and theirs is different.
Whats happening is they are rinsing us, wealth is being siphoned up to a minority, and there will be more poor people living in worse poverty.

Abhannmor · 26/09/2022 13:11

Of course you have to know the pound is going to plummet - thanks to your pals in the cabinet. You have to have big money to start with. And have a short term credit arrangement with big banks and forex dealers.

I always think of the USA as the source of cowboy capitalism. But they have very strict rules on their own patch. You wouldn't just lose your CBE.

SerendipityJane · 26/09/2022 13:12

Amused at the quaint idea there needs to be a vote in parliament on this. Remember, it's not a budget. No vote needed.

CaptainSamCarter · 26/09/2022 13:13

KK was a consultant for Odey, a hedge fund.

That same hedge fund has made a killing in the last few days shorting the pound.

But yeah, keep believing that the Tories are looking out for us all 🙄

Freudenhaus · 26/09/2022 13:16

Furthermore there is absolutely no mandate for such a dramatic policy and I hope those decent MPs can put aside electioneering and get their envelopes in

Freudenhaus · 26/09/2022 13:17

And Paul Marshall, the evangelical hedgie dad of Mumford & Sons former member

oakleaffy · 26/09/2022 13:17

Upthebracket22 · 26/09/2022 07:08

You would hope that some decent tories will vote against the rogue ones? Are there any decent tories?

NO.

They are rogues, after making money for themselves and their wealthy buddies.

It's an absolute shitshow.

scaredoff · 26/09/2022 13:18

RudsyFarmer · 26/09/2022 09:45

Many of the people you are accusing of being Tories are floating voters who think ALL politicians are criminals.

Well that's part of the problem too: the number of people who seem to react to everything the Tories do wrong by saying "see, ALL politicians are corrupt/incompetent/etc!"

Anything a Labour politician does wrong is an argument against socialism. Anything an SNP politician does wrong is an argument against Scottish independence. But for some reason, anything a Tory politician does wrong is just an argument against all politicians. It can't possibly have anything to do with Toryism.

And it's still going on here. Apparently this situation is perfectly OK, because under Corbyn things would have been "exactly the same" (LOL, they spent four years frothing at the mouth about how Corbyn would bring down the very fabric of the British state by Nationalising The Air You Breathe. If things were going to turn out exactly the same as under the Tories, one wonders why they bothered!).

Of course this narrative suits the Tories quite well, because it becomes an argument for a small state. If ALL politicians are criminals, then you might as well vote for the criminals who are going to do the least and have the smallest amount of input into public life. I wouldn't be surprised in amy of the comments to this effect are actually from Tory bots.

Subbaxeo · 26/09/2022 13:18

ememem84 · 26/09/2022 07:28

I’m not allowed to vote in Uk elections despite them having a direct impact on me and where I live. However what could labour have done to make this better? If there was a GE now labour wouldn’t be able to turn things around overnight.

im not trying to be snarky just trying to understand

What could they have done? Not funded massive tax cuts for the rich by borrowing in an inflationary cycle. Not had such a damaging Brexit. Not given multi million pound contracts to their inexperienced mates. I can go on-but is that enough for you?

Tanith · 26/09/2022 13:19

vera99 · 26/09/2022 12:59

Well, 83% of the folk on this thread want them in jail. I have found one that is currently unused and in a previous incarnation housed Oscar Wilde. Maybe Labour could put it in their manifesto😁

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HM_Prison_Reading

It's right by the river so has always had problems with rats.
I remember when they were building the industrial units around there and disturbed nests that made James Herbert's novels look like Brambly Hedge.

GoTeamRocket · 26/09/2022 13:21

I didn't hear Rachel Reeves interview today.

BUT I would trust her in running the economy any day over Kwasi Kwarteng.

The tories only care about their rich mates. From Johnson promoting his friend financial backers and supporters to the House of Lords, to Truss throwing most of the population under the bus to please her rich mates.

i genuinely didn't think things could get worse after Johnson. But it just has.

BambinaJAS · 26/09/2022 13:22

Its amusing to see some Brits blame the opposition for the Government doing stupid things.

God, what a basket of deplorables you folks are.

You really do get the Government you deserve.

vera99 · 26/09/2022 13:22

Yes it's that bad. Never seen anything this in my adult life except maybe 2008 when it looked like total financial collapse. But QE and ultra-low interest rates were the steroids that got us out of that one and sowed the toxic seeds for this one. We are on fire but rather than reaching for water Truss/Kwarteng have reached for the petrol can.

www.ft.com/content/e4c27153-455c-4ae4-aa1e-98ac34ad37f0

Kwasi Kwarteng has shaken investor confidence in the UK
Market sell-off on ‘fiscal event’ was as bad a verdict as any chancellor could fear

It’s hard to overstate how poorly Kwasi Kwarteng’s so-called “fiscal event” has been received by financial markets.

Nothing in gilt markets in the past 35 years — not the UK’s ejection from the Exchange Rate Mechanism, 9/11, the financial crisis, Brexit, Covid or any Bank of England move — compares with the price moves in reaction to the chancellor’s mini-budget.

The brutal sell-off in UK government debt may have come in the context of rising yields across the globe, but it largely reflected financial markets getting increasingly concerned about the direction of UK macroeconomic policy.
............

Bank of England data going back to 1772 shows that this level of deficit has only been exceeded on three occasions, each of them during the second world war. In simple terms, the British people have become poorer without enjoying the benefits of a more competitive currency that the textbooks promise. And they are more reliant than ever on the kindness of strangers.

The balance of payments crisis claim still sounds hyperbolic. After all, a weakening pound improves the country’s international investment position. And there is no obvious large overhang of borrowings in dollars that would raise the debt-to-GDP ratio if the pound falls.

But sterling has been increasingly at risk of losing its “developed market privilege”, which confers safe-haven status on your assets, increasing the state’s ability to run countercyclical monetary and fiscal policy.

Former US Treasury Secretary Larry Summers’ verdict was that “the UK is behaving a bit like an emerging market turning itself into a submerging market”. The chancellor has so far given every sign of disregarding financial markets in his calculus. It might be time for him to reconsider.