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To ask you to think twice about eating chicken regularly

640 replies

Tigofigo · 25/09/2022 09:03

...it's just not sustainable for us to consume as much as we do.

Intensive chicken farming is polluting and destroying our rivers and also potentially causing breathing difficulties and lung issues in those who live near farms spraying chicken / other animal manure as fertilizer.

Really worrying too, at a time when govt are ripping up EU regs on environmental laws that will further destroy our rivers and the animals, plants and people that rely on them (along with the shit already pumped into them...).

www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/25/chicken-farm-giant-linked-to-river-wye-decline-was-sued-over-water-blight-in-us

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/14/muck-spreading-could-be-banned-to-reduce-air-pollution

inews.co.uk/news/brexit-bonfire-environment-regulations-otters-dolphins-birds-conservationists-1875799

OP posts:
Xenia · 25/09/2022 16:43

I won't be giving up meat. However I don't mind if other people do. Live and let live.

AclowncalledAlice · 25/09/2022 16:49

eat plant proteins instead eg chickpeas, butter beans, lentils etc at lunch and ditch chicken sandwiches etc

Cold beans and lentils? No thanks.

LuckySantangelo35 · 25/09/2022 16:49

Newgirls · 25/09/2022 16:31

An easy option is make the change at lunchtime

eat plant proteins instead eg chickpeas, butter beans, lentils etc at lunch and ditch chicken sandwiches etc

so if giving up chicken isn’t for you maybe just once of twice a week for Sunday pr whatever instead. Would make a massive difference to welfare and standards

This!

I don’t get how anyone could have any issue with doing this

no one, child or adult, NEEDS to eat meat every single day

justasking111 · 25/09/2022 16:50

Things have improved

To ask you to think twice about eating chicken regularly
XenoBitch · 25/09/2022 16:51

LuckySantangelo35 · 25/09/2022 16:49

This!

I don’t get how anyone could have any issue with doing this

no one, child or adult, NEEDS to eat meat every single day

Why judge and tell the people at the bottom (the consumer) what to do? Will people not buying chicken somehow increase welfare standards? Surely you achieve that by looking higher up at the producers.

Londontown12 · 25/09/2022 16:53

I don’t eat chicken anymore it’s terrible how their treated and the op is correct in all that’s been said

DontTouchThat · 25/09/2022 17:01

I definitely have meat everyday, it’s usually chicken, it’s cheaper than beef and I don’t like lamb. I have tried cutting back before after being guilted but end up not enjoying my food. My dc’s love eating off the bone and it’s one of the few things they actually eat.
Humans are designed to eat meat, I don’t think it will ever change.

user6363 · 25/09/2022 17:04

AclowncalledAlice · 25/09/2022 16:49

eat plant proteins instead eg chickpeas, butter beans, lentils etc at lunch and ditch chicken sandwiches etc

Cold beans and lentils? No thanks.

Oh my god, just learn to cook it nicely. It’s not hard.

GarlandsinGreece · 25/09/2022 17:07

@scrufffy Same here. I’m celiac and also have IBS. Pulses and grains are off the table for me. I eat organic meat daily and have come to terms with that.

vodkaredbullgirl · 25/09/2022 17:09

Right that's my chicken roasting, with loads of veg.

DontTouchThat · 25/09/2022 17:12

GarlandsinGreece · 25/09/2022 17:07

@scrufffy Same here. I’m celiac and also have IBS. Pulses and grains are off the table for me. I eat organic meat daily and have come to terms with that.

Severe IBS here too, getting worse with age.
Vegetables are not my friend, and I love veg but it all really hurts me. Anything that adds flavour, onion, garlic, spice etc hurts me.
Bread hurts me, cheese hurts me.
Actually meat is the one thing that doesn’t, except duck. Duck does not like me!

LuckySantangelo35 · 25/09/2022 17:20

vodkaredbullgirl · 25/09/2022 17:09

Right that's my chicken roasting, with loads of veg.

@vodkaredbullgirl

well done you 🏅

Newgirls · 25/09/2022 17:24

AclowncalledAlice · 25/09/2022 16:49

eat plant proteins instead eg chickpeas, butter beans, lentils etc at lunch and ditch chicken sandwiches etc

Cold beans and lentils? No thanks.

Soup? Chilli? Falafel?

come on we can all eat without eating animals every day

cheaper too

user6363 · 25/09/2022 17:26

GarlandsinGreece · 25/09/2022 17:07

@scrufffy Same here. I’m celiac and also have IBS. Pulses and grains are off the table for me. I eat organic meat daily and have come to terms with that.

I’m coeliac and vegan but no way could I do that if I had IBS as well. 💐

ZeroFuchsGiven · 25/09/2022 17:26

Dreamwhisper · 25/09/2022 16:24

I had 4 chickens as 'pets' they had names paige, pru, pheobe and piper, once they stopped laying we ate them, we actually had one for christmas dinner one year

How is this comparable though or a counterpoint to what the OP is saying? I'm sure you coped just fine killing those friendly intelligent chickens because you'd given them a good life.

The point is like most animals chicken are social, emotionally intelligent creatures and subjecting them to the conditions of factory farming for the duration of their lives is WRONG.

You may not have felt guilty for eating Paige, Pru, Phoebe and Piper, but I bet you would have had they spent their whole lives with you in tiny wire cages barely big enough to move round in, then taken to an animal murder factory before being delivered to your plate.

And if the answer is no you wouldn't have, then your opinion on chickens holds no water because you'd demonstrate a fundamental lack of empathy which would render your opinion on whether an animal should be treated empathetically, pointless.

First off I was replying to another poster, not the op.

Like I have said previously my dd works in a chicken farm and my ds works in a pig farm, we know where our meat comes from.

Eating meat does not mean I lack empathy

The city dwelling coffee drinking hipsters are certainly making themselves known on this thread.

Newgirls · 25/09/2022 17:34

Welfare standards

over a billion chickens are eaten every year in the UK

how often do you see them outside? They are in massive metal sheds.

if we eat less maybe there would be better welfare. But I imagine the manufacturers (farmer doesn’t seem to be the right word) would still not bother with better conditions

user6363 · 25/09/2022 17:36

The city dwelling coffee drinking hipsters are certainly making themselves known on this thread.

Do you not read this and realise that cringey generalisations like this totally undermine your point…?

ZeroFuchsGiven · 25/09/2022 17:37

The only reason Cows, Sheep and Pigs are in our lives are for food, they are not wild animals if they were not farmed for meat you would not see any!

ZeroFuchsGiven · 25/09/2022 17:41

user6363 · 25/09/2022 17:36

The city dwelling coffee drinking hipsters are certainly making themselves known on this thread.

Do you not read this and realise that cringey generalisations like this totally undermine your point…?

Nope, not at all. Maybe living rurally I have a different point but that does not make it not valid.

Dreamwhisper · 25/09/2022 17:42

ZeroFuchsGiven · 25/09/2022 17:26

First off I was replying to another poster, not the op.

Like I have said previously my dd works in a chicken farm and my ds works in a pig farm, we know where our meat comes from.

Eating meat does not mean I lack empathy

The city dwelling coffee drinking hipsters are certainly making themselves known on this thread.

Are you talking about a naice farm though or do you mean your children work in the factory farming industry?

I'm not sure why someone saying they personally are okay with mass suffering and abysmal animal welfare and are happy to continue in this practice changes the objective fact that these animals are treated horribly, or the objective fact that it is damaging the environment.

What, because you're "alright with it" the rest of us should just crack on and shut up then?

Newgirls · 25/09/2022 17:42

ZeroFuchsGiven · 25/09/2022 17:37

The only reason Cows, Sheep and Pigs are in our lives are for food, they are not wild animals if they were not farmed for meat you would not see any!

Do you see lots of chickens where you live? Running around in pretty fields under apple trees?!

user6363 · 25/09/2022 17:43

ZeroFuchsGiven · 25/09/2022 17:41

Nope, not at all. Maybe living rurally I have a different point but that does not make it not valid.

Right, but it’s completely possible to assert your point without assuming that everyone who disagrees with you fits into some “woke” derogatory box.
It’s the exact same reason I don’t assume everyone who eats meat or dairy is XYZ. We’re literally just people with different views and lives.

MadMadMadamMim · 25/09/2022 17:45

People eat what they can afford. I love lamb. We can't afford it.

We can afford cheap chicken.

ZeroFuchsGiven · 25/09/2022 17:45

Newgirls · 25/09/2022 17:42

Do you see lots of chickens where you live? Running around in pretty fields under apple trees?!

Yes I do actually, most my neighbours have chickens and some end up in my kitchen, i pick them up and take them back.

Thats why I did not add chickens to the list.

Dreamwhisper · 25/09/2022 17:45

ZeroFuchsGiven · 25/09/2022 17:37

The only reason Cows, Sheep and Pigs are in our lives are for food, they are not wild animals if they were not farmed for meat you would not see any!

Literally what does this even mean. All animals originate from "the wild".

There most certainly are wild sheep, pigs and cattle. I'm sure they'd be perfectly happy with us not seeing them and I'd be happy not seeing them if it meant they weren't being horrifically exploited.

Again I am talking about factory farming here. I do believe it's possible for farming to be done ethically but demonstrably not at the scale which our global demand requires.