Meet the Other Phone. A phone that grows with your child.

Meet the Other Phone.
A phone that grows with your child.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

To ask you to think twice about eating chicken regularly

640 replies

Tigofigo · 25/09/2022 09:03

...it's just not sustainable for us to consume as much as we do.

Intensive chicken farming is polluting and destroying our rivers and also potentially causing breathing difficulties and lung issues in those who live near farms spraying chicken / other animal manure as fertilizer.

Really worrying too, at a time when govt are ripping up EU regs on environmental laws that will further destroy our rivers and the animals, plants and people that rely on them (along with the shit already pumped into them...).

www.theguardian.com/environment/2022/sep/25/chicken-farm-giant-linked-to-river-wye-decline-was-sued-over-water-blight-in-us

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/environment/2019/jan/14/muck-spreading-could-be-banned-to-reduce-air-pollution

inews.co.uk/news/brexit-bonfire-environment-regulations-otters-dolphins-birds-conservationists-1875799

OP posts:
OurChristmasMiracle · 25/09/2022 11:39

All well and good saying to eat better, to check how it was raised etc but the cost difference for those on low income during a cost of living crisis is going to mean it’s the cheaper option or potentially no food at all.

also not that long ago. £18 would have been a week of food for myself- I wouldn’t have been able to afford to spend £18 on one piece of meat.

scrufffy · 25/09/2022 11:40

OurChristmasMiracle · 25/09/2022 11:39

All well and good saying to eat better, to check how it was raised etc but the cost difference for those on low income during a cost of living crisis is going to mean it’s the cheaper option or potentially no food at all.

also not that long ago. £18 would have been a week of food for myself- I wouldn’t have been able to afford to spend £18 on one piece of meat.

Exactly. I love when there's an offer on a whole chicken - I either do a roast or joint it myself and have the bones for soup.

Thelnebriati · 25/09/2022 11:40

Abolish poverty, then go for higher welfare standards. Its one of the few meats we can still afford.

sleepymum50 · 25/09/2022 11:41

I was told that pigs and chickens are the most likely to be intensively reared, not so much sheep and cows.

Therefore if you eat meat and care about animal welfare and environmental issues you need to source free range chicken, eggs and pork.

gamerchick · 25/09/2022 11:41

No I'm ok thankyou.

Never forget being told to persevere with vegan subs as they gave me crippling bad bellies and squits as 'the body gets used to it' Hmm

think I'll just stick to meat ta.

Tigofigo · 25/09/2022 11:43

Quveas · 25/09/2022 11:28

You are aware, are you not, that there are a great many people for whom £18 is more than they can spend on an entire meal for the whole family? Whilst I agree with you in principle, whilst people cannot afford food and fuel then they are going to opt for cheap and plentiful. Sustainability is multi-faceted. Regardless of how infrequently you buy a chicken, £18 on one chicken is a privileged choice.

Yes I am aware. I'm very privileged to be able to make that choice. £18 of course does much more than one meal here. I know there are many people who would struggle to afford to put the oven on to cook any chicken, and I'm angry about that.

But I also know there are many on here buying and eating chicken several times a week who are able to afford to make different choices, including £18 at a time. I've seen the "how much do you earn" threads!!

There is of course the possibility of eating a cheaper chicken once a month, or replacing a few chicken based meals with non chicken / veggie ones.

I'm personally not a big fan of most vegan subs. They're expensive and often very processed. If I buy them I look v carefully at ingredients.

OP posts:
bellac11 · 25/09/2022 11:43

Its so difficult to find protein which is easily used and not massively high in fat

I was think the other day that my main source is cheese as I dont like pork so dont eat ham, not massively keen on chicken so for quick sandwiches as these are easily transported, its always cheese.

What else can you put in sandwiches or wraps thats not messy (not humous or tuna), cheap and lower in fat than cheese?

Tabbouleh · 25/09/2022 11:43

I have always wondered why on MN the only alternatives are chicken or vegan processed crap.

Hello vegetables? Or pulses?

LuckySantangelo35 · 25/09/2022 11:43

Scrowy · 25/09/2022 09:18

Just a reminder that we are now entering the prime of British lamb season.

British lamb will mostly be grass fed and raised almost entirely outdoors for its entire life.

if you want high quality, sustainable, low mileage protein then choose British lamb.

Shepherds pie for lunch anyone?

@Scrowy

i know what you mean but maybe also you could have a cheese and cucumber salad for lunch ?

some people seem to think they need to eat meat for breakfast lunch and dinner….. and they just don’t need to

SmilesOnStage · 25/09/2022 11:45

People are eating less animal products due to concerns about the planet, animal welfare and costs. I’m grateful for that. I’ve been vegan for years. The comments about processed vegan stuff make me laugh, I very rarely eat any fake meats, they’re not necessary.

LuckySantangelo35 · 25/09/2022 11:45

gamerchick · 25/09/2022 11:41

No I'm ok thankyou.

Never forget being told to persevere with vegan subs as they gave me crippling bad bellies and squits as 'the body gets used to it' Hmm

think I'll just stick to meat ta.

@gamerchick

people can stop eating so much chicken and not need vegan substances like tofu which I agree can cause stomach upsets

Tigofigo · 25/09/2022 11:46

gamerchick · 25/09/2022 11:41

No I'm ok thankyou.

Never forget being told to persevere with vegan subs as they gave me crippling bad bellies and squits as 'the body gets used to it' Hmm

think I'll just stick to meat ta.

I also get stomach issues with Quorn and Beyond Meat burgers etc

I'm ok with soya though. I can eat tofu and it's cheaper and takes less energy to cook than chicken.

OP posts:
CheezePleeze · 25/09/2022 11:46

Scrowy · 25/09/2022 09:18

Just a reminder that we are now entering the prime of British lamb season.

British lamb will mostly be grass fed and raised almost entirely outdoors for its entire life.

if you want high quality, sustainable, low mileage protein then choose British lamb.

Shepherds pie for lunch anyone?

Lamb is my favourite meat but I feel like I'd have to sell my house in order to afford it.

LuckySantangelo35 · 25/09/2022 11:47

sst1234 · 25/09/2022 11:17

A great source of protein and should be consumed as much as people want to eat it. The only way to solve issues you raise is not to reduce consumption. That’s just a typically lazy position that ‘progressives’ take because they are not smart enough to invent their way out of a problem. This is not a problem that could not be solved by tech, but then that would take away your soapbox, right?

@sst1234

some people feel they have to meet every day - and some for breakfast, Lunch and dinner

it’s ridiculous

If it’s not about overconsumption
how can the problem be solved then?

hamustro · 25/09/2022 11:48

I'm going to continue eating it, thanks, same as I'll continue to eat beef and dairy. Switching to legumes or soy-based protein make me fart so much that any benefit to the environment is wiped out. Quorn etc. is fine for some things - for example I find Quorn nuggets to be almost indistinguishable from chicken nuggets - but for some things the Quorn taste is so obvious and doesn't work.

scrufffy · 25/09/2022 11:49

My person can't have soya. We can't have nuts in the house. Can't have dairy (and the fake cheese makes them vomit). Can't have anything with gluten. Shellfish is off the table and they aren't keen on fish.

I'm sticking with chicken.

FusionChefGeoff · 25/09/2022 11:49

"Vegan subs" are mainly frankenfood which I'm sure has many other negative impacts due to the sheer amount of processing needed to get it to resemble food....

scrufffy · 25/09/2022 11:50

And they can't have eggs either.

Thelnebriati · 25/09/2022 11:50

I can't eat carbs , processed meats or nitrates. I'm also on a low income. I can eat eggs and chicken, some red meat and green veg. Luckily I enjoy eating those but its already a restricted diet.

Tigofigo · 25/09/2022 11:50

bellac11 · 25/09/2022 11:43

Its so difficult to find protein which is easily used and not massively high in fat

I was think the other day that my main source is cheese as I dont like pork so dont eat ham, not massively keen on chicken so for quick sandwiches as these are easily transported, its always cheese.

What else can you put in sandwiches or wraps thats not messy (not humous or tuna), cheap and lower in fat than cheese?

I'm personally ok with fat, love peanut butter.

Tofu? Sliced egg? You can also use crushed chickpeas in a Coronation sauce.

OP posts:
Eeksteek · 25/09/2022 11:50

Quveas · 25/09/2022 11:28

You are aware, are you not, that there are a great many people for whom £18 is more than they can spend on an entire meal for the whole family? Whilst I agree with you in principle, whilst people cannot afford food and fuel then they are going to opt for cheap and plentiful. Sustainability is multi-faceted. Regardless of how infrequently you buy a chicken, £18 on one chicken is a privileged choice.

I used to buy chickens that were expensive. (Not that expensive, but certainly £12-14) from a local farm shop, because I want no part of intensive farming. (It certainly lasted more than one meal). I had money and could afford it.

Now I do not have money and cannot afford it, so I don’t buy chicken (or meat at all, usually). £18 is about my budget for the entire week for two people. Me having less money doesn’t make it any less cruel or unsustainable. It’s a completely separate issue. Either it’s cruel or it isn’t.

Chicken was historically a middle income food, precisely because it’s expensive. Historically, the poor are very little meat at all. I don’t say we should go back to that, or that it’s right, but meat is affordable at all for many people (and certainly at the frequency it’s consumed now) only because the barbaric unsustainable factory farming has artificially depressed the price. Just as travel is only accessible to many people because of the low and unsustainable price and practice of burning oil. There’s no values attached to those statements. It’s nothing to do with class. It just can’t last forever.

scrufffy · 25/09/2022 11:51

@Tigofigo many people are intolerant to soya. That means no tofu?

Dreikanter · 25/09/2022 11:51

I can buy a whole, locally organically farmed small chicken from a small traceable farm I have researched from a brilliant butcher near me. They're about £18. The same size chicken in Sainsbury's or Waitrose is about £3/4.

A small (1.7kg) free range organic chicken in Sainsbury’s is a similar price though.

You’re not comparing like for like.

Handsnotwands · 25/09/2022 11:52

Tigofigo · 25/09/2022 11:34

I would love to see the many issues with intensive farming solved with tech but I don't see governments or farmers investing in it. What I do see, however, are more and more intensive farms.

Farmers can't even afford safer ways of spraying slurry, just one piece of the puzzle: They have been given till 2025 to find a safer alternative and have said they cannot afford to switch to other methods without Government investment. Can't see this govt making any efforts to invest in that given their recent actions.

Would therefore love to hear more detail on how you think tech solutions would be funded on a widespread scale? And time-frames too? I'm all ears and will happily get on my soapbox about those solutions if they are viable.

Perhaps until these solutions are in place it's not too much to ask people to reduce their consumption?

You may be ok with intensive farming and the associated health issues it causes. I'm not.

The government invests huge amounts actually

www.ukri.org/news/ukri-awards-more-than-8m-to-innovative-new-farming-concepts/

AlisonDonut · 25/09/2022 11:53

You can ask but you are assuming that everyone currently eats chicken anyway. I gave up all meat in 1984. Not everyone is like you.