To think a lot of women are worse off than 50 years ago?

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A certain type of person is nostalgic for the old days when ‘men were men, and women were women’. I am not. However, it must be noted that at the time when women were expected to be docile acquiescent homemakers, men were expected to foot the bill. They paid for dinner, sorted the mortgage and brought home the bacon. Not for me, but a fair division of labour.

Now, we have a generation of women who ‘pay their way’, go Dutch and refuse to let men pay for them as they don’t want to be indebted. Grand.

But, these same women also do the lion’s share of housework, because ‘men don’t see it’ and shoulder the emotional labour because ‘that’s just the way men are’.

So, women are now shouldering some of the traditionally male burdens while the traditional female burdens have remained firmly in place. How is this an improvement for women? And why do so many tolerate it? This is a profound misunderstanding of feminism and it hurts so many of us.

@keepmywifesnameoutchagoddammouth I thought you worked part time?

Yet that poster did not even factor them into the equation. My child loves having me around. Respect? She adores me, that won't just dissipate once she hits teens because I don't have a job. That's absurd.

@TinaPoopsy52

Your post seemed to imply that everyone should value the role?

No offence but I don't value your happiness, lol

If that's what you want crack on but it has no more value to me or society than any other role.

How so?

Working a corporate job has no value to society either, it just contributes to capitalism and the wealthy, neither does becoming chronically stressed benefit society if it means you become a burden on the NHS which is often the case.

I work freelance when I feel like it.

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I agree re manifestation of division of labour. I would also like to see much more respect and support for us single mums in society. As you say, things are a lot better but we still have a ways to go.

when do we ever hear mainstream politicians for example ever trying to appeal for our votes? To give us tax breaks? Improve childcare? Dispell negative stereotypes? Never yet we are fully 25% of households with children. It’s as if they are still think they need to criticize us as immoral women a la “back to basics”.

For example- why should I pay back child benefit when a two parent family has an allowance twice as large? It would be an easy fix (it’s essentially an honesty system as you need to report it in your SA) but no proposals to fix it.

Ah, so in your eyes SAHMs ‘aren’t contributing’.

Now we’ve got down to the crux of your opinions. You think housework and looking after children is a doss job which isn’t deserving of support.

So what this boils down to is jealousy (I say this as a working mum with a ‘traditionally male’ career).

But at the same time we're skivvies who run around after a man.

@keepmywifesnameoutchagoddammouth

You have fairly odd views about work really

you said your husband prohibited you from working. What do you do?

@Wouldloveanother

Who is jealous and what of?

MsPincher (shouldn’t that be MxPincher) is jealous of SAHMs. And those with husbands. It’s getting obvious now.

@MsPincher

its obvious your very emotional and bitter about this but actually my kids do respect me. I know because they’re all grown now and and have told me. See I’m one of those dreaded 70’s housewives.

Its the little things you miss if your at work - the picnics in the middle of the day with soft toys when they’re toddlers, being there excited (rather than tired or not at all) at the school gates because you’ve had down time to relax in the day, bringing home cooked chips to school lunch and having all the other kids crowd round for a bite, letting them run round with the neighbour kids on holidays and having them all pop in from time to time to tell you what wacky things they’re doing.
Much less time for all that when you work.

Actually my daughter is a SAHM too and I know she wanted that because of me and I believe she’s very happy. And I have a big role in her and her kids lives now too. Probably more present for her now than would have been if I had worked and ironically she gets more help and an easier time with parenting for it. So every time you insult me you insult her too.

But that’s ok, I really just feel sad for you that you have to cling to this “must work work work for the sake of all womankind” mantra you’ve got. It’s silly and sounds like a bore.

I work in digital marketing on freelance jobs. I was saying that in response to someone else. I've since said multiple times he has never done that. But the situation I'm in does, I have to and want to do school pick ups

@Topgub

And Your role has no value to me or society above any other either. What is your point. I don’t care if you value it for yourself or not.

its obvious your very emotional

For goodness sake can a woman have an opinion without being dismissed as being "emotional" would you accuse a man of being emotional for expressing an opinion? Prime example of women being able to be flipping sexist against their own sex.

And those with husbands

Oh don't be a dick.

@Wouldloveanother

It really is. Big plate ofJelly with a capital wobble.

@TinaPoopsy52

My point, fairly obviously, is that no one has to value your role.

If you do. Great.

No one else does.

I see yourself and@Wouldloveanother are getting personal now.

So much for no one should judge eh?

As if @MsPincher is jealous of sahm

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I think it’s deeply unfair to expect mothers to work like fathers, but not expect fathers to parent like mothers. Patriarchy strikes again.

Well said @bob78

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Thats really how it’s coming across.

Not true. Being hands on with parenting will benefit society.

Deny it all you want but the kids who are off the rails did not have parents who were as hands on as a SAHM can be. All the people in our family are functional members of society producing children who are caring and making society better, and it's because of our family values that these types of people come from us.