To hope that we welcome men fleeing Russia

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Many are fleeing Putin's Press Gangs.
The EU Council President has recommended that the EU offer them asylum.

It must be bloody terrifying and, although we're not in the EU longer, I hope that this government follow his example and offer sanctuary as we have done for fleeing Ukrainians.

I know that they will be young men and not need to live with families in the same way that Ukrainian women and children did so although that would be ideal, it's not essential and hostels/hotels could be used.

Will you offer a home if asked? I can't but I would like to help in some way.
AIBU to hope that we will help these fleeing Russians?

@Quincythequince I would have thought that would give us more reason to want to thwart the Russians, not less.

That’s not about not wanting to beat them, of course anyone does, but that’s a NATO decision as you well know. And what an overly simplistic view if you think us letting in a bunch of Russians fleeing only now, will help this.

No sane government, under the current circumstances and timings, would reasonably take a bunch of Russian defectors who are doing so, because the going has finally gotten tough…for them personally.

DH used to do business in Russia and has quite a few contacts there.
He is in regular contact with them, they are well educated, intelligent middle class business people and most are Pro Putin. Some are neutral but the younger ones (20s - 30s) are particularly strong in their support for his actions.
I also know people from an ethnic group in Russia who are not treated especially well by The Regime and quite a few of them were effectively conscripted last year. Even THEY think that Putin has been forced to act due to threats from NATO.
The majority of men trying to flee Russia now are anti having to fight rather than anti Putin

LOL. Let’s just bring hoards of non-English men, with no jobs, little money, no family, from what anybody with any sense can see is to be perceived as an Enemy state (for most Countries that is)
whose leader regularly threaten to blow us up, vet them, and pay for them including resettlement.

Hoards of young, displaced Russian men.

No thank you!

Georgia has said ‘no way’, so has Lithuania. That list is going to increase rapidly.

Exactly this!
My DH Russian colleague has said pretty much the same.

Yup. They're only leaving as its now their turn to fight in the war thar they've supported for the last 214 days.
They clearly didn't mind the brutal shelling and murdering of Ukrainian citizens until now did they.

What country would want to allow people thar supported this type of barbaric behavior.

Reading chats in telegram channels of Russian people trying to cross the borders now is highly amusing. I recommend you do before deciding to welcome them in. Spoiler alert: no, the majority is not against the war.

Thats quite a series of allegations made against the Tory party.

All true of course but it does beg the question who is really running the country?

At the height of the Cold War and when travel was far harder, the KGB had a spies in the heart of the Royal household, in academia and the secret service, its not beyond the bounds of possibility they have infiltrated British politics at the highest level.

So expect the UK Govt to allow Russians fleeing Russia to come here.

Are you having a laugh?

Have you actually done any reading around Russian funding of Brexit, which btw was not a Tory party explicitly held position in case you didn’t realise. That’s just for starters.

Are you in way aware of Russian donors and British politics? It’s a horribly disturbing read.

If you think Russia hasn’t been attempting to swing elections is major Western Democracies (including the US) you are very, very naive.

No as their male

Apologies, missed the next paragraph of your post! You are clearly aware.

I don’t doubt that some Russians will be allowed in, you are right walking that will of course happen and always has.

But the mass exodus of young men who now simply don’t want to fight, don’t meet the bar for consideration for that.

Churchill did this.

Italians, Germans and Austrians, including Jewish refugees, were called "enemy aliens" and interned after mid-1940 when Northern and Western European countries were captured by Germany. There was fear that anyone with a German accent could be a spy. Jewish refugees were put into internment camps with other German and Austrian people, including those who were Nazi sympathizers.[ People were put into groups (A, B, C) by tribunals depending upon how dangerous that they might be (Class A was for the most dangerous and Class C was the least dangerous) and thus determined how long that they might be held and where they were located. The tribunals were initially most concerned about men, but by June 1940 they had become stricter about the guidelines for who would avoid internment.

Some Jews, about 8,000 people, were deported to Australia (such as on the HMT Dunera) and Canada. Of those, not all of them made it to their destination, as they were killed while aboard ships, like the SS Arandora Star, that were struck by German torpedoes.

There were about 30,000 Jewish refugees held in Britain in internment camps on the Isle of Man and in locations throughout England and Scotland. Later in the war, when there was no longer a threat of invasion, internees were released. Some of the people deported to Canada and Australia were allowed to return to Britain.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_refugees_from_German-occupied_Europe_in_the_United_Kingdom

Perhaps we could look at Berlin post WW2 to see what hoards of displaced young Russian men can do?
DH German Grandma came to England in the late 40s from an area that had been occupied by The Russians post war and she was absolutely terrified of Russians, although she would never really speak about what happened. Our Great Aunt is almost 100 and has been a bit more open about things, it’s heartbreaking what happened

I also don’t think Russia has anything quite as brutally nasty, and worryingly skilled as the KGB, Putin and a couple of his cronies represent the last men standing on that front.

There is an estimated 600,000 empty in England alone. We have a homeless problem because the the severe lack of mental health and addiction support, the decimation of services and welfare systems by the corrupt spunktrumpets in government and the greedy cunts hoarding wealth and property they don’t even use.

But trickle down sure does work huh

He also interned thousands of the Blackshirts too. Well to do British citizens who were Nazi sympathisers.

We could start by deporting any Russian oligarch and their families that have settled in the UK if there is any whiff that their funds were ill-gotten and if any of them have ever supported Putin.

Lord Lebedev of Siberia ennobled by one Boris Johnson I'm looking at you

What’s this got to do with Russia?

I don’t disagree btw.

It would be better if HMG took steps to ensure all afghans who worked at the embassy were out and had somewhere to stay first. It's a year on ffs.

Yes Sir Oswald Mosley had a good war interned in a guest house on the Isle of Man !

www.brh.org.uk/site/articles/wwii-upper-class-protected-british-fascist-leader-mosley-whilst-supposedly-fighting-fascism/

Phew! :)

Very much aware, huge Russian and Chinese sceptic, never forget the Stalin (stolen) saying "When we hang the capitalists they will sell us the rope we use"

Russia and its people made themselves into a pharia state like N Korea, now enjoy all the bonuses it comes with.

Hotels and hostels are already full with the homeless. And if they're not then perhaps they should be filled with the homeless that are in tents and street sleeping or living in shocking accommodation before offering them up to a group of 'refugees' of unknown motives.

OP suggested housing Russian refugees / immigrants as we have done with Ukrainans.
PP suggested “we” are so “full up” that the only housing option for current British homeless persons to be housed in tents and we don’t have the capacity to house refugees, be it from Russia or elsewhere.
My post was simply pointing out that we have hundreds of thousands of empty homes, which a good proportion of have been sitting empty for 6 month plus. We are not so “full up” we couldn’t house these homeless people, or in fact other refugees, there is just a huge injustice in the system.

So, is that ok? Or do I need future approval from you to post again?