To think most Brexiteers must now regret their vote?

[hoovermanouvre]

If you voted Brexit, do you feel like you have been able to "Take Back Control?" If so, where? Can anyone state one positive change since Brexit - I would genuinely like to hear at least something. Anything?

YANBU - I voted Brexit but now regret it
YABU - I voted Brexit and can see a benefit

I am not sure where you think I said it was a good policy?

A better policy would have been making bankers gambling illegal.

The thing is the problems in the country right now aren't due to Brexit, they're all cause by immigrants and benefit scroungers. What we clearly need is an even bigger Brexit, involving rocket launchers and total 24/7 surveillance, in which Britain leaves the whole of the rest of the world.

A bit like that dome they have in Israel, but on steroids.

Well yes, I take your point!
I'm trying to remember back to the discussions with my parents at the time and those were the arguments my mum, who voted Brexit, was using.

Bankers making decisions about where to invest money (ie gambling) is at the very heart of the free market economy which has brought about continuous improvements in standards of living.

Saying the world economy is trashed is utterly illogical. We are all far better off than when I grew up in 70s when colour TV, phones, washing machines and foreign holidays were luxury items.

Without the gambling of bankers we wouldn't have experienced the growth of consumer goods and tech industries and would be stuck with taxpayer subsidised mines, steelworks and car factories.

We have never had it so good.

The UK EU USA and the rest of world, were all caught out, the UK was hit particularly hard, having a much larger FS sector.
The GFC had its roots in the USA, so no regulator is going to be privy to that.

It's a good policy because a banker can earn 5m without taking stupid risk, now we go back to the old way of earning 5m by taking stupid risk.

So the idea isn't to cap the overall numeration, even Kwarteng said this in his statement and you confirm.

Might be worth remembering that despite a cap, London remained the worlds top FC until we left the EU.

We are all far better off than when I grew up in 70s when colour TV, phones, washing machines and foreign holidays were luxury items.
That doesn’t make sense. We are not better off. In most ways we are worse off -see house prices compared to earnings, as just one example. The things you listed became vastly cheaper, that’s all. It does not mean we are better off.

@TobyEsterhase

There has always been banking and always been progress in living standards and invention but it took the deregulated investment banking sector just 20 years to trash the worlds economy for a few years.

That’s how better off works. Things that were unaffordable become cheaper relative to your spending power thus those aspects of
life that were previously beyond your spending power e.g. foreign travel are now within your grasp.

No, spending power is far worse-because house prices are so high and unaffordable for many, whether for renting or buying. With the basics unaffordable, no one can say we are better off. It’s irrelevant that you can afford to buy a colour TV if you can’t afford a house to put it in.

Theres still things being agreed on with regards to brexit. I think 6 years isn't long enough to decided if it has been positive or negative. A lot of choices can work or not work in the near future but are the correct/incorrect choice longtime. Ive demoted myself previously due because of bad management and it was effecting my metal health. Within the next few months that guy got sacked. Right at the time, wrong for longterm. I could have had multiple promotions with a different manager if I stayed.

A few things have happened that we couldn't control ie covid/Ukraine that will also have changed things.

Perhaps - but previously we could only afford to rent a condemned two up two down terraced house with outdoor toilet and no internal plumbing or heating system. We had no TV at all.
Now far more people own property which means they have diverted their spending money (yes, disproportionately, but still) and nobody pays rent to live in the kind of squalid conditions that were common in early 1970s.
The lowest levels of society have a more comfortable existence than previously and are therefore better off.

Yes at least people could buy a property on normal salaries, no student debt and people could work their way up in jobs without needing a degree and incurring massive student debt

If you lived a 70s lifestyle then you could have it all, because you would have extremely low standards of living compared to people in modern times.

You're living in a dream land! Many rental properties are absolutely dreadful and living standards have fallen, two million children now live in poverty.

We had a good standard of living then though as my dps both worked

Also the roads were much less crowded and plenty of green space not loads of flats being built on every scrap of land and still most young people can't afford to buy a home nowadays

FFS @hoovermanouvre it's done and can't be undone. Stop rubbing salt in the wounds of those of us who didn't choose it and winding up those who did! Whatever answers these threads garner, they don't 'help'. We can't rejoin even if everyone who voted for it says 'yeah we dropped the ball'. We just have to make the best of what we have. I am as anti Brexit as they come, but these threads always make us look bad, because it looks like crowing and we are so much brighter than you.... The Remain campaign was really lazy as well.

Quite a few NI Brexit voters are over the moon. When the IMF have to bail the UK out, they'll push for a United Ireland referendum and following the recent census report and PM Truss's "mini budget" they have a chance of winning.

I’m not. Rental properties may be dreadful but the worst are better than they were in the 1970s. Nobody is allowed to rent out properties in the conditions of those in which I grew up these days.

I voted Brexit. I am glad the UK was able to get those vaccines that saved thousands of lives well before EU countries who took a long time to get agreement from 27 countries before it could proceed. UK had vaccines well before EU countries.

If they don't regret it by now, they must be one or more of the following:

Selfish
Blinkered
Blinded by ideology
Not very bright

This is why left wing parties keep losing elections

They don't attempt to hide their contempt for people with different views to themselves

You would advance your cause if you were able to make constructive arguments in favour of EU membership rather than simply hurling ad hominem insults

caringcarer

That's all Boris could ever crow on about too, you can't live off that forever. Anyway, the EU caught up pretty quickly