To think most Brexiteers must now regret their vote?

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If you voted Brexit, do you feel like you have been able to "Take Back Control?" If so, where? Can anyone state one positive change since Brexit - I would genuinely like to hear at least something. Anything?

YANBU - I voted Brexit but now regret it
YABU - I voted Brexit and can see a benefit

MsJinks,

It was a terrible thing to just say leave or stay without any parameters or guidance- even leaving out the misinformation debacles.

Perhaps, but I doubt that the EU would have agreed an alternative for Cameron to put to the voters. Even if they hadn't been completely intransigent I don't see how it would have been workable. Potentially years of negotiations before a vote was even held.

What I found less excusable was that there weren't any plans in the event of a Leave vote. That really was his job. But (in my opinion anyway) his was a pretty rubbish government.

@BambinaJAS
So, another delusional leaver.

Why do we even let you people vote?

Letting people vote on things they have zero knowledge on is sheer folly.

Thats also precisely why civilised countries banned referendums.

Yet another ignorant person who doesn't get the complexities of how people voted or why they did not even ca. talk about the concerns about how EU politics are going.

It's really worrying when this level of ignorance and black and white thinking without eve. Understanding who criticised others & ignore those wgo have tried to talk about why we might have been and still are concerned (with EVIDENCE as Italy is going far right PM too!) --- and it doesn't fit your usual jingoistic rhetorical thick belief, , that a huge number of voters like you @BambinaJAS ate the worst!!! Ignorant as anything!!!
Well done for pointing yourself as covered in ignorance.

There are complexities involved and I really worry about the low level of intelligence in trying to talk about those. Most intelligent people can at least try to make at least a coherent argument- it's all an unknown area which is what I believe and that we all tried to find a way forward.

Sorry the 2nd third and fourth paragraphs are a quote from an ignorant poster @BambinaJAS

And first sentence too. The IIRONY of @BambinaJAS calling other people ignorant is not lost on the intelligent posters!!!

What an absolute joke a/he is

This could be a useful discussion of what is working Brexit and what isn't working... and then you get ignorant posters who can't even listen to any one else's posts !!! Why do a select population of MNers do this? Why do PPs not try to engage? but instead hey get jingoistic and controlling about their fixed views?

My worry all along is that a number of European countries were becoming more far right. And I don't think U.K. wants to be pulled into that . Not do I think we want to get pulled into centralisation without accountabilities in those making those policies

It's not where a democracy wants to go

Have you paid any attention to the current UK government?

Let’s face it the idiocy of the Lisbon Treaty where people voted it down in countries where referendums were held (including France) but then it crept in by the backdoor by the machinations of European bureaucrats was a typical example of how these people want to get rid of democracy and put themselves at the centre of an unelected Europe. What is going on in Italy is a kickback against these people

@Cillery on the subject of democracy are you happy to have new unelected Heads of State and Government, with the latter paying no attention to any democratic mandate?

Members of Parliament are elected by the people. Someone who can find the backing of a majority of those elected MPs will be invited to form a government. Therefore it is democratic.

Since the restoration and the Glorious Revolution, the monarch has reigned only with the consent of Parliament. If Parliament (who are elected, remember) were to decide that they no longer want a monarchy, then they would remove it.

Members of Parliament are elected by the people. Someone who can find the backing of a majority of those elected MPs will be invited to form a government. Therefore it is democratic.

But @DdraigGoch, Liz Truss didn't have the backing of the majority of elected MPs. They backed Rishi Sunak, and I believe their second choice was Penny Mordant.

Liz Truss had the backing of the unelected Tory membership, some of whom were non-British citizens who had never even been to the UK.

Do you think that's democratic?

Apparently they do think that is democratic and the EU is not.

I'd love to be able to live in such a world, it must be a very happy place.

I wouldn't have denied the Scottish a vote but I certainly wouldn't have run the referendum the way they did, it was absolute maddness. For a start people need access to proper weighted information such as - 90% of economists think it will be terrible 10% think it will be good. It should be illegal to lie or mislead the public on such an important issue. Plus, they need a supermajority in order to make a change of such magnitude. If they have another referendum in Scotland and its won on a wafer thin majority, its a recipe for disaster. Unfortuatly, the precedent has been set and the madness of a simple majority has been set. Basically the EU referendum, like the outcome or not, was extremely poorly done (copying Scotland) and split the country into thirds. About one third voted Leave, one third Remain and one third didn't vote . So we had such a massive decision that most people didn't even vote for, its very likely to be the same in Scotland. I would even add a further safeguard of a veto in the Scottish Parliament. It make such a massive change, you need to take the people with you and they should have high hurdels, we are now paying the price in the UK for not doing that. I remember i was chair of a preschool, we had a higher voting bar to get over, to close the preschool, than we did to take the uk out of the eu. Whichever side you are on, anyone sensible must agree that to make such massive, long reaching and possibly irreversible changes to a country, should be harder than it was.

Liz Truss can command a majority in the House. Trust me, Conservative MPs are a rebellious lot so wouldn't put up with a leader they really didn't want.

Before we left, how did your vote influence the selection of the European Commission?

I believe it did. Aren't the EU commissioners, one for each country, appointed by the elected governments of that country? I might be wrong but I believe that's how it worked. Happy to be corrected.

I do think that the parliamentary leader should be a matter for the parliamentary party alone. Having a selectorate of party members outside Parliament undermines the principle of Parliamentary supremacy and also results in the election of oddballs like Truss and Corbyn.

Unfortunately that genie is well out of the bottle.

The House of Lords is mostly appointed, isn't it? Does that make it demonstratic after all?

Demonstratic??? I mean democratic!!!

The Referendum allowed 37% of the electorate to vote the UK out of the EU when the terms of leaving were speculation.

I actually don't have too much of a problem with an appointed second chamber. I think the problem with the HoL is its badly weighted. Appointments for life etc. One suggestion I've heard for reform, which I think is a good one, is political appointees in the HoL, after each election, to reflect actual vote share each party got rather than winner-take-all in the HoC. Might go some way to better representation of the voter.

Truss is elected by the British Parliament which is elected by the British people by democratic mandate.

No, Truss was selected by the Tory party members who were definitely not elected by the Britsih people - the vast majority of her own MPs did not want Truss.

The UK was part of that slip to the right

@Icanstillrecallourlastsummer I can't really remember now but my sister is a hardcore remainer and she has enlightened me on more than one occasion!