Should I tip the pizza delivery person?

[JamesBondOO7]

Tomorrow I'm ordering pizza from Dominos
I usually leave to our children but I'm doing this
I will be ordering approx 85 quids worth of food for
6 of us inc 2 toddlers. As we are paying online
and IMO the bill is lager than the usal 50-sh after discounts - I will feel bad not tipping the man/woman

A quid is not right but then I'm thinking why should I as I', pay 2 quid (1-99) in delivery and the employer should be paying a proper wage

It will be easier not to tip as paying online but I don't want the delivery person
giving me faces etc though that would make it easier for me later ie not giving a tip

What do you think but I'm almost a 100% cert I won't

(on the odd occasion we eat out we tip 10% but it does hurt.

Just because they do something in the US, it doesn't mean the rest of the world has to do the same thing. Whereas in the US, customers effectively provide a big portion of some workers’ earnings through tips, that's never been the case in the UK and most people wouldn't want it to be the case. Tips are just a small extra for good food and service in restaurants (and maybe hairdressers and taxis). It's not considered practically compulsory as in US.

"Those drivers wash up, stocktake, sweep and clean, make up mountains of boxes and clean the loos."

What about the staff that stocktake, sweep and clean, make up mountains of boxes and clean the loos but don't drive? I'm sure they'd appreciate a tip too. Everyone works hard, some paid better than others. Those behind the scenes don't get tipped they expect to be paid a fair wage just like driver.

lots of people earn fuck all. bus drivers, retail workers, cashiers, postmen. I sincerely hope
you tip everyone.

I realize that but its not like your situation is any better than ours (considering your minimum wage is less than ours). I would understand if the opposite were true but its not. Just because tipping culture isn’t as prominent elsewhere does not make it okay. Ask any service worker if they’d wish tipping culture was more prominent and I bet most would say yes. Its the smallest act of kindness you can do that could make or break someones day. Really not that hard to understand the concept.

The point of tipping is that you are rewarding good service or good food. Therefore, I only tip delivery drivers if the delivery is particularly quick/punctual

Although I can see why someone may think this, the speed of a delivery is usually no more to do with the driver than the taste of your steak would be to do with your waiter in a restaurant.

The driver will leave with the food (usually several orders) when given it and deliver them in the order they're told to. If a delivery is late or cold, this is the fault of the business not the driver.

I never tip anybody.

Many years ago I worked evenings & I delivered pizza on a comany moped or in a company car.
I had a huge delivery area.

I noticed that the "poorer" areas always tipped - thank you

I was also allowed one small pizza per shift to take home to eat.

Yes, I tip the pizza delivery person

I have been in there on dark, cold winter nights, in the days with no sat navigation & no mobile phones

Why is it better to have a culture where employers don't pay much so customers need to tip heavily (regardless of whether the service is good) so employees can survive? If you asked most service workers whether they would prefer a tipping culture or a decent wage from their employer so they didn't have to rely on tips, I bet most would prefer a decent wage.

You can't just go on whether the minimum wage in the UK is the same as in the US . It depends on what sort of life someone can have on that minimum wage ie. the cost of living in the respective countries and it also depends on what the salaries of other workers are in the country. The US (I think) is generally quite a bit richer than the UK, and someone on a minimum wage there may be considerably less well-off then the majority of workers.

I don't tip in a restaurant if I don't like the food either.

Yes I agree however I am have no control over what workers are paid base, I am however in control of what I tip. In the US we don’t expect people to do a song and dance to earn a tip. Instead we consider whether they HAVEN’T earned the tip. I would much prefer they are paid more but I don’t see your method resulting in higher wages for workers.

and I looked it up, 35% of service workers in the UK rely on tips (as per gov.uk data) to top off their income (compared to the 24% of US workers). Meaning that in order for their income to be at an acceptable level, tips are necessary. The problem I have with UK tipping culture is that it is not in favor of the worker and is in favor of the employer.

look at the justifications in this thread:

• “Workers should find better jobs then”
• “Its the employers job to pay their workers”
• “They should EARN their tips, I’m not giving away free money”

Finally, a US citizen is not richer on average than a UK citizen. We may have more wealthy people, the average citizen doesn’t see a dime of that wealth. 50% of our population is under the poverty line compared to the 22% in the UK (based off jrf.org.uk data). We always find a reason to tip, so what’s your excuse?

Drivers make less than in store staff for this reason.

I always tip the drivers in cash even if I pay online. A dominoes delivery driver said they dint get the tips if you do it online. Not sure how true that is.

50% of our population is under the poverty line compared to the 22% in the UK

50%? According to the 2020 US census, the rate is 11.4%.

crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/R/R47030

When using the Supplemental Poverty Measure the number is 43.3% of Americans are under the poverty line.

I use the SPM because it takes into account Americans that are supported by government assistance as they are low income. Sorry for not clarifying.

What do you mean by "rely on tips". Do you mean that a larger proportion of service workers in the UK versus the US are in jobs where they sometimes get tips? That doesn't tell you anything about whether tips are necessary for the income to be an acceptable level compared with the US.

Maybe “richer” is the wrong word as it obviously depends on what you can buy with that money. However, in June of 2022, the average monthly salary in the U.S. was $4,427. In the UK it was £2,989. Therefore, although the basic delivery driver wages might look similar at first glance, in the US wage it is quite a bit lower relative to the average salary compared with the UK.

As for what is my excuse for “not tipping”, I haven't said that I don't tip. I usually do in restaurants (unless the food/service is awful), and also tip taxi drivers. I earn quite a good salary though. I don't blame people who earn a minimum wage themselves (for jobs which are often harder) for not wanting to tip for a basic service though.

It hadn't even occurred to me to tip for a takeaway. Who has cash nowadays.

I'm still confused. The census says the SPM was 9.1% in 2020.

The Supplemental Poverty Measure: 2020

Highlights

• In 2020, the overall SPM rate was 9.1 percent. This was 2.6 percentage points lower than the 2019 SPM rate of 11.8.
• SPM rates were down for all major age categories: children under age 18, adults aged 18 to 64, and adults aged 65 and older between 2019 and 2020.
• The SPM rate for 2020 was 2.3 percentage points lower than the official poverty rate of 11.4 percent. This is the first time in the history of the SPM that poverty was lower using the SPM than the official poverty rate.
• The 2020 SPM rate of 9.1 percent was the lowest rate since estimates were initially published for 2009.

I am struggling to understand why people think food delivery workers deserve a tip any more than any other low paid service worker?

Yeah you should tip all of your food delivery drivers. They do not get the delivery fee, that money goes to insurance companies so you can have your food delivered in the first place. Those drivers are using their gas and their own vehicle to bring you your order so yeah tip them. That's the point, what they make hourly is irrelevant. Your tip reimburses them for the gas and wear and tear on their vehicle so they may continue to do their job and bring you your food orders directly to your house so you don't have to go anywhere yourself. If you're not going to tip, don't order delivery and go pick it up. It's that simple. I also can't believe this is still being debated in today's world. Stop being so cheap people if you can afford delivery you can afford to tip.

As mentioned above, Domino's delivery drivers (in the UK at least) get an hourly rate plus a fee for each pizza delivered (about £1.50, I think). I'm sure they would still appreciate a tip. I will ask the delivery person that I know whether people tip.

I live in New Zealand. We don’t tip here.

I know which system I prefer.

It’s not the culture that doesn’t support its workers and vulnerable people via social mechanisms - just to be completely clear.

The question has been repeatedly posed - why is it only low-paid hospitality and service workers who deserve tips, while other low-paid workers do not?

The £2 delivery goes towards petrol, vehicle maintenance and time/labour to deliver. Nothing to do with a tip.

I always tip. It's a nice thing to do imo.

The drivers don't see any of the newly introduced £2 delivery. They get the same £1.30 per delivery they always got. For that £1.30 they are expected to provide their own car, pay for their own fuel and wear and tear on their car, put the dominos sign on their car. And dominos only covers them for 3rd party insurance. The £1.30 doesn't cover it all so their costs eat into their £6.83 minimum wage.

I thought the minum wage was a lot more than that you in Irlenad?

Anyway, most people will know what the pay is before they take on a job.

Re low wages, what about the millions of others working without customer contact, will you be paying their tips.

We've worked hard for our money and as i said will tip often on the odd occasion we eat out - don't often as its very expensive and food is rubbish and loud people etc etc.

I'm 100% for not tipping pizza man as we don't tip our Tesco driver, nor the postman, or the window cleaner or the gardner, the bin man, parcel delivery people so why the pizza man?