Meet the Other Phone. Flexible and made to last.

Meet the Other Phone.
Flexible and made to last.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

Sitting in the front of the car

259 replies

zebraprint12 · 19/09/2022 08:59

Right, I need to be told if I'm AIBU.

DP's DD is 10. There is a tension between me and her. She is so conflicted. From one side she is cute and lovely, would want to play with me all the time, would talk to me about all sorts of stuff, would get me cards for mothers day, would say I love you, I miss you and would scream happy when I come over.

From the other hand she is jelaous about her dad. That goes to extreme sometimes, DP always reacts to what she does, talks to her, explains why we don't do this or that, except of one situation which is coming back all the time. Sitting in the front of the car.

She always used to sit in the front. For me, kids sit in the back where there is another adult in the car. It is a respect thing. When I have started coming over, I let her do it, then I have gradually started to change it. I didn't want her to be upset and felt like she was pushed out. But now, after two years of this she decided and told me that that my permanent place is in the back and I've to sit in the back even if she is not in the car. Her place is next to daddy in the front.

I have stood my ground a few months and said okay, if she wants to sit in the front, I don't need to be coming with them. I won't be sitting back for a child and play power trips with his DD with her thinking she can dictate where my place is. We told her it is safer for children to sit on the back and it worked for a while but she is challenging it more and more. DP doesn't do anything about it. He is upset with me because I have upset her and says it is a thing between me and her to sort but then he keeps telling her to try and negotiate with me when I say no.

Last night we dropped her off to her mum and she run downstairs like crazy just to be in the car first and to sit in the front and refuse to move.

AIBU? Am I being difficult?

OP posts:
CornishGem1975 · 19/09/2022 11:24

Nope you're not wrong. When I'm in the car the SC sit in the back. Same if my DH is in my car, my DC (his SC) sit in the back.

tootiredtospeak · 19/09/2022 11:25

Also that same son now always goes in the front as he is 21 and 6 foot 2 and I squash in the back with the other 2 kids.

AryaStarkWolf · 19/09/2022 11:29

tootiredtospeak · 19/09/2022 11:23

I think this is a no win situation. Dont try and get yourself inside a 10yr old head who wants to be most important to their Dad it's just not worth it. In your partners defense its incredibly hard when you get a new partner to break those things you have always done when you were single. I let my son sit in the front for 6 years then all of a sudden there is a new man in our lives and he gets put in the back. It wasnt a power play I could see he was hurt by it and honestly I was pissed with my new DP that he would rather hurt my childs feelings than swallow his pride a bit. We have our own kids now and they forever want to sit in the front and for one of us to get in the back but because they are both of ours it's different. There is no one upmanship with your own kids.

What about if your mother was going on a drive with you would you have told her sit in that back and let your son sit in the front?

Bookworm777 · 19/09/2022 11:31

I think you're being petty. Presumably your DP doesn't get to see his DD every day so when they do they want to make the most of seeing each other, and that includes sitting next to each other in the car when he drives You're talking occasional trips.

I find your comments about power trips disturbing too. She's 10, it's her dad! She's not the OW or love rival.

Hopeandlove · 19/09/2022 11:33

howshouldibehave · 19/09/2022 09:04

she decided and told me that that my permanent place is in the back and I've to sit in the back even if she is not in the car

And your DH thinks this is acceptable? I couldn’t be with someone so weak! How long have you been together?

I think I’d be packing my bags

He needs to tell her to get in the back and stay there and there will the temper tantrum from hell and then it will be over.

if I was your DH I would get you to drive always and sit the front with you and this means you are off the hook as he is making the decision

woodhill · 19/09/2022 11:34

No way

Adults in the front, end of especially when you are paying for the car, petrol etc

olympicsrock · 19/09/2022 11:35

DP needs to tell the little madam to behave properly and respect you.

If he can’t do this I would be questioning whether or not I was willing to spend time with them ( and reevaluate the relationship)

seetzeros · 19/09/2022 11:36

I thought this was going to be about safety not manners! But hell yes, that child should be in the back. Kids and front seats - I see it all the time at school pick up, really little kids with and without car seat sitting up front.

I see that she is almost as tall as you … this article mentions height but also bone density as a reason why rear seat is safer if that helps at all?! saferide4kids.com/blog/safest-place-in-the-car-for-tweens/

LookItsMeAgain · 19/09/2022 11:41

As for her being on the booster seat in the front when there is a perfectly workable seat in the back (before she grew taller than the requirement to be on a booster), that is when your DP should have nipped this in the bud. She is the child, she needs to be in the back for her safety and what Daddy was doing wasn't safe. You're looking out for her safety.

My DD is nearly 16 and she loves being in the back because she can stretch out across the whole back seat when she is there. She never sits in the front and I'd love to have her company in the front.

Getting back to the matter at hand - your DP needs to stop this and stop it now. He simply says that if she is looking for a lift anywhere or if he is collecting her, whether there is another person in the car or not, she sits in the back. When she is old enough to go places and drive herself she can sit in the driver's seat but children sit in the back. There is absolutely no point in you doing or saying anything as you're nothing to her except her father's girlfriend.

BertieQueen · 19/09/2022 11:41

I’m always baffled when threads about adults sitting in the front of a car instead of children/teens comes up. I really struggle to see how sitting in the front some how means respect. 🤷🏼‍♀️ But that’s just my view and I can see from reading this thread that many see it completely different to me. Each to their own.

BUT I think the front seat of the car is not the problem here overall. The problem is the child is showing she is struggling with the situation of Daddy having a partner and her Dad has let this build up and up the last couple of years with out trying to dissolve the situation. Also seems you have got fed up of the situation and have resorted to behaving like a child by trying to play games.

I would end the relationship, the Dad is not stepping up and has let it go on for too long now that it would be hard to try and change things. He is showing no respect to you.

Eeksteek · 19/09/2022 11:41

I’m going against the grain to say it doesn’t matter. It just doesn’t. If this is a symptom of other things going and there are ACTUAL problems with disrespectful behaviour and discipline, deal with them. But who sits in the front? Man, it sounds like you are both kids. If you’ve slotted into their lives and this is the only problem, it’s a small one. Pick your battles and be grateful. Is this actually a hill you want to die on?

Many children feel sick in the back of a car. Car sickness is weird, and she may not have realised the back was making her feel odd. My DD sits upfront because she throws up in the back. It’s not an issue because it’s just us, but if we have a lift anywhere, she rides shotgun. It’s not about respect. I don’t need the front seat to show that I am a powerful adult in charge of everything that goes on in the family. I know that. She knows that. It’s no less ‘respectful’ for her to have the front seat. It’s just meeting everyone’s well-being with the resources we have. If your DD needs the front seat to feel good, let her. It’s no big deal. If you, as an adult, NEED the front seat to confirm your family status, I think that says more about you and your adult insecurities than her or relationships and her immature ones. If this is around transitions to her mum’s that’s going to be a tough time for a kid. It’s stressful for them to change houses, and she maybe wants her dad’s support, or just her last little bit of time close to him. Is she getting any time just with her dad? That’s important, especially if she has gone from having a lot to none. She can like and be adjusting well to you being part of her family AND still want some one-to-one, and find the transitions tough. The control in particular sounds very anxiety-based. She’s telling you she’s finding the transitions hard. You can set a boundary, allow space for her anxiety and her unique and special relationship with her father, because you are an adult. She possibly can’t, because she isn’t.

If she’s speaking to you poorly, not respecting your possessions, time or body, those are issues. If she just wants some one-to-one with her dad, that’s a valid need.

Stop going on the transitions at all. Let her have that special time with her dad. Extend it to include a bit of a treat, if possible. Of course you sit in the front when she isn’t there - it’s silly not to, just as you don’t expect her to sit in the back if you are not there, and don’t avoid that. If you must go, or for other trips, toss a coin or let her choose. Remove the power, remove this ridiculous idea that gives (either of) you status, stop feeding her anxiety, but give space for her need for one on one time with her dad, and acknowledge that transitions between homes are hard for kids. I bet it will disappear in a few weeks if you can rise above it and meet her underlying need.

If you insist that you must sit in the front, because it gives you the respect due as an adult, you are feeding the troll. She feels powerless and disrespected and anxious on transitions to mum’s and sees the front seat as a way to stop that. So by insisting on having it, you are reinforcing the idea that that’s how you get it, and that’s what you need. And she will push harder to get her needs met. It will be one very desirable, the way it has become to you from your childhood. If you acknowledge it’s no big deal, look at the family as a whole and how everyone’s needs can be met, and what’s really causing the anxiety, she will learn a lot about collaborative problem solving and looking for root causes, setting firm and fair boundaries AND trying to meet everyone’s needs with the resources you have. Which is more adult? There is no benefit in trying to teach children they can’t always have it their way, by insisting we always have it our way.

I would also use it a dry run. Family meeting etc, etc. You will encounter actual problems as she gets older, so use this non-problem as a great way to establish a protocol for dealing with them.

HikingBoots · 19/09/2022 11:42

The precocious little shit! Of course kids belong in the back when there's an adult in the car!

Lavender2021 · 19/09/2022 11:45

A child should sit in the back for safety. The airbag is designed for a grown man and not a child. The damage they do to adults is bad enough and I wouldn't want to see a child be hit by one.

StClare101 · 19/09/2022 11:47

In all seriousness I’d dump him. If he’s not willing to deal with this the teenage years will be a nightmare of epic proportions. Fuck that.

Usecoooomonsnse · 19/09/2022 11:48

@zebraprint12 you are not being Unreasonable

and all other things aside purely from safety point of view the child should sit at the back

Halfords recommendation

Sitting in the front of the car
Pipsquiggle · 19/09/2022 11:50

When I was growing up, it was just a rule, adults in the front, children in the back. Part 'respect your elders,' part safety.

Your DP needs to sort this out. You need to tell him that you no longer put up with her power playing antics and his continuing capitulation.

FrangipaniBlue · 19/09/2022 11:51

zebraprint12 · 19/09/2022 09:42

She doesn't want to sit in the front when I drive.

I wonder, In the situation like last night, what she would do if she already sat in the front thinking DP is going to drive, and I took over and I drove. That could be a potential solution and it would be interesting to see her reaction to this

That's exactly what I was going to suggest!

If she runs to get in the front first you simply then get in the drivers seat.

Don't engage with her but if your DH asks what you're doing just say to him "i'm not sitting in the back, so I'll drive".

I guarantee he will get fed up and will resolve the situation with his DD.

dottiedodah · 19/09/2022 11:52

I think if you dont settle this now ,it will only get worse! She is not far off puberty.Yes of course she feels her "place " has been usurped as it were .However this is not a reason to take a back seat(literally) .Maybe you need to rethink this RL .Otherwise you could be in for a rough ride

hewouldwouldnthe · 19/09/2022 11:54

Provided she is in a proper car seat and safe, and her parents are happy with the safety aspects of it, I personally wouldn't bother cracking down on this. However it's very important this is a single situation where she dictates the rules. Poor little girl has had a lot of disruption to her young life and she feels she has no control over things. To let her have this very small bit of control with no arguments but acceptance, is a tiny concession to a confused child. Obviously if she's not there you sit where you like, and she must learn this is her only special thing she can dictate. Stand firm where it really matters.

Shinyandnew1 · 19/09/2022 11:57

@zebraprint12 if she ran to get in the front and you said you’d drive because you’re not sitting in the back, what would she/he do?

hewouldwouldnthe · 19/09/2022 11:58

Ffs I can't get over the people advocating crushing a little girl by 'putting her in her place', name calling her 'precocious little shit', etc. She's a little girl, distressed by the loss of her security, stability and to a large extent her father as he embraces his new partner and life.

ArseInTheCoOpWindow · 19/09/2022 12:05

Can’t believe people are getting wound up about this.

She doesn’t see her dad much and wants to sit with him. What’s the big deal?

Total non issue.

Taillighttoobright · 19/09/2022 12:08

Your DP is being very, very weak and needs to assert himself. Today it’s the front car seat; then it will be her getting her own way with clothes, drink, nights out, school, revision… parents should parent. I feel for you, OP - that is all very cowardly and shit of your DP.

DoIHaveTooo · 19/09/2022 12:14

Why is this a big deal to you? Respect doesn't mean sitting in the front of the car, what are you on about? Adults can and do sit in the back of cars, there is no disrespect meant. You clearly don't like her much, fine you don't have to but my god, just sit in thr back of the car you loon. Its not that big a deal 🙄

Bookworm777 · 19/09/2022 12:15

hewouldwouldnthe · 19/09/2022 11:58

Ffs I can't get over the people advocating crushing a little girl by 'putting her in her place', name calling her 'precocious little shit', etc. She's a little girl, distressed by the loss of her security, stability and to a large extent her father as he embraces his new partner and life.

Exactly my thoughts. She's 10. She's not the OW or a love rival, she's his DD! Some of the comments about putting her in her place are disgusting and so hypocritical, because we know what the MN reaction would be if this was a mum saying her ex's new DP is refusing to let her DD sit next to her dad.