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Will the queens funeral be bigger than Diana's

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vondutch · 19/09/2022 02:05

Thoughts ?

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Proudboomer · 19/09/2022 19:42

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 19:34

The flowers outside the Palace gates were far more for Diana. Personally it seemed an incredible waste of money. But people wanted to show their grief.

There was no national mourning as there has been with the Queen. It was spontaneous and came from the public.

No it was just better organised this time as each night the flowers were removed and sent to Windsor were they were laced out both sides of the long mile.

GhostFromTheOtherSide · 19/09/2022 19:45

Diana was a manipulative attention seeker. She loved the media attention when it suited her, put herself in situations where she could be photographed and then wailed about it when it didn’t suit her.

The public really didn’t still love Diana, they followed her because her life had become celeb-like. If she were alive today she would probably have been on tiktok and instagram, and if she’d been young enough she’d be on love island.

Proudboomer · 19/09/2022 19:46

Long walk. Don’t know why the mile came from

gnilliwdog · 19/09/2022 20:06

GhostFromTheOtherSide · 19/09/2022 19:45

Diana was a manipulative attention seeker. She loved the media attention when it suited her, put herself in situations where she could be photographed and then wailed about it when it didn’t suit her.

The public really didn’t still love Diana, they followed her because her life had become celeb-like. If she were alive today she would probably have been on tiktok and instagram, and if she’d been young enough she’d be on love island.

Really. Is it pleasant to be so vicious about a dead woman you never knew? And when was the last time you comforted a child ill with leprosy in your arms, or held their hand?

Reallyreallyborednow · 19/09/2022 20:18

Really. Is it pleasant to be so vicious about a dead woman you never knew? And when was the last time you comforted a child ill with leprosy in your arms, or held their hand?

people do it all the time. There are missionaries and Dr’s working full time in those places. They just don’t use it for photo ops.

unfortunately I am not skilled enough to be any use to sick children. Much like Diana. I am also not rich enough to fly in and out, hold a few hands and make myself look wonderful for doing so.

marcopront · 19/09/2022 20:26

Really. Is it pleasant to be so vicious about a dead woman you never knew? And when was the last time you comforted a child ill with leprosy in your arms, or held their hand?

About the same time as I flew somewhere by helicopter when I could have gone by car and then complained that the press noticed.

gnilliwdog · 19/09/2022 20:26

Reallyreallyborednow · 19/09/2022 20:18

Really. Is it pleasant to be so vicious about a dead woman you never knew? And when was the last time you comforted a child ill with leprosy in your arms, or held their hand?

people do it all the time. There are missionaries and Dr’s working full time in those places. They just don’t use it for photo ops.

unfortunately I am not skilled enough to be any use to sick children. Much like Diana. I am also not rich enough to fly in and out, hold a few hands and make myself look wonderful for doing so.

The people who do it 'all the time' are not so numerous. Nor would they be critical for anyone who offered support. The Leprosy Mission, which Diana was a patron of until her death, state on their website that they need another Diana.

gnilliwdog · 19/09/2022 20:35

marcopront · 19/09/2022 20:26

Really. Is it pleasant to be so vicious about a dead woman you never knew? And when was the last time you comforted a child ill with leprosy in your arms, or held their hand?

About the same time as I flew somewhere by helicopter when I could have gone by car and then complained that the press noticed.

OK, so never then. As you have never done that much for another human being, it isn't worth listening to your weird vitriol.

Damnloginpopup · 19/09/2022 20:50

I've sparked quite an interesting little side topic here. It's really quite incredible to me that Diana is still held up as the innocent angel that she became 'the day after'. At the time she was seen as so many things - vacuous, spoilt, deranged, thick and spiteful. Not to mention treasonous - the royal family was far less criticised before her death, her legacy is one of damage. One thing I do clearly recall though is that she became widely referred to as 'the queen of tarts'. Googling this brought up a well written and amusing article that is partially hidden by its 'humourous' style - the bare bones are there though...

pvewood.blogspot.com/2017/09/diana-queen-of-tarts.html?m=1

You have to give it to her though, queen of people's hearts was an excellent catchphrase to award yourself.

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 21:03

@Damnloginpopup You are right the sexist double standard was alive and well then. So yes some saw Diana as a "tart" but not Charles. I am glad that kind of sexism has reduced over the decades.

Thistleinthenight · 19/09/2022 21:03

I never heard anyone call her that.

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 21:05

@Thistleinthenight you probably did not know any incels. It is exactly the kind of thing they would say.

GhostFromTheOtherSide · 19/09/2022 21:29

You are right the sexist double standard was alive and well then. So yes some saw Diana as a "tart" but not Charles. I am glad that kind of sexism has reduced over the decades. all the Diana worshipers do so though precisely because they blame Charles for everything she apparently went through. And there was never any question that he cheated on Diana.

But she was no angel. She had at least 2 affairs during the marriage, and even if you wrote those off as revenge or whatever for his cheating, after they divorced she went on to have several more, including with married men.

So while I’ve never heard her referenced in that way and think it’s a bit tacky anyway, let’s not pretend that Diana was an innocent, because she absolutely wasn’t.

gnilliwdog · 19/09/2022 21:33

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 21:03

@Damnloginpopup You are right the sexist double standard was alive and well then. So yes some saw Diana as a "tart" but not Charles. I am glad that kind of sexism has reduced over the decades.

I agree with you. Not sure there is a male equivalent for 'tart,' it's a pretty misogynistic term. Back in the 80s girls would be called that because they had had a few sexual partners, but boys were never criticised or called names for it.

AbcMurders · 19/09/2022 21:55

@Damnloginpopup
started reading that article and my jaw dropped 😲
any books you’d recommend?

Damnloginpopup · 19/09/2022 22:03

AbcMurders · 19/09/2022 21:55

@Damnloginpopup
started reading that article and my jaw dropped 😲
any books you’d recommend?

Rick Stein's Far Eastern Odyssey. Cracking recipes.

AbcMurders · 19/09/2022 22:06

😂
I meant about Diana - I found the article eye opening

Reallyreallyborednow · 19/09/2022 22:12

I meant about Diana - I found the article eye opening

not Diana but if you found that eye opening, try Mother Teresa. Evil Bitch apparently.

AbcMurders · 19/09/2022 22:25

oh yeah I remember the stuff about her - apparently hoarded millions but believed in beautification of suffering - yuck.

If that’s true, love bombing Charles, hitting him etc - I am shocked!

GobbolinoTheWitchesCat · 19/09/2022 22:39

While the stuff about Diana in that article has been well documented elsewhere, Caroline of Brunswick was treated appallingly by her husband, George IV (and Prince Regent, of Blackadder fame, to his father Mad King George III) who would these days be readily considered an abusive husband.

It's been popular history for years that Queen Mary (of Teck) and her husband George V (our late Queen's grandfather - and btw where is his responsibility in this?) for sending their epileptic son John to live out of of public view and they've both been criticised as cruel parents.

However, it's also believed that Prince John may have been autistic too with behavioural issues that worsened as he neared his teens. Even by the standards of the day, where those with disabilities were kept hidden, the treatment of John was kind. There's increasing evidence, and most recent historical views agree, that John was not shunned by his family and although kept out of public view continued to join his family as much as was considered possible at the time before his untimely death.

His health difficulties were such, that his siblings felt his death was a release for him and contrary to the view that they didn't care, his parents mourned him.

I don't know so much about Joan of Kent but she wasn't the only Queen of England to support a rebellion against her husband and given the lives of the medieval peasantry I'm not sure it's fair to write her off as a bitch!

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 22:56

No one pretends Diana is innocent.
But I have never seen anyone criticise both Charles and Diana. It is always defending Charles and criticising Diana.
Charles at 34 married a 19-year-old naive woman and carried on seeing Camilla a married woman. Diane after their marriage was falling apart had some affairs and that included married men.

Damnloginpopup · 19/09/2022 22:57

AbcMurders · 19/09/2022 22:06

😂
I meant about Diana - I found the article eye opening

😁 nah, I've never read books on it. I just used that article to illustrate what I remember from how things seemed to be at the time.

But the Rick stein book is still recommended! The Cambodian food is superb, especially the Loc Lac recipe (better than any I had there).

PleaseGoDontGoAgain · 20/09/2022 00:08

antelopevalley · 19/09/2022 22:56

No one pretends Diana is innocent.
But I have never seen anyone criticise both Charles and Diana. It is always defending Charles and criticising Diana.
Charles at 34 married a 19-year-old naive woman and carried on seeing Camilla a married woman. Diane after their marriage was falling apart had some affairs and that included married men.

This is likely because you're not looking for it. Charles had death threats shouted at him on several occasions after her death, many people hate him because he was in love with Camilla when he married Diana and he has been accused of killing Diana. That's hardly people defending him

Plenty of us can see fault on both sides, Your assessment of their marriage doesn't fit numerous other sources.

antelopevalley · 20/09/2022 00:19

I am talking about social media. I know back then there was a lot of anger towards Charles.

NameChangedForThis12398 · 20/09/2022 00:22

I'd hope so seeing as it's the queen 🤣