To think Prince Harry should now do whatever it takes to cancel his book contract?

[FromageRouge]

And withdraw his book?

A rapprochement looks possible if he meets the RF halfway.

They've barely said anything in the two years since they've been gone (one major interview with Oprah where they shared a small handful of specific grievances, the couple of comments Harry made on that podcast he did ages ago, and now Meghan sharing the fire incident on her own podcast).

And yet people are still completely obsessed and fascinated by them. They don't need to do anything to spark this constant fascination. There have been times when Meghan has gone months without saying a word, the obsession hasn't abated one atom.

I honestly don't know why they're bothering with the titles, tbh. My understanding is that British citizenship can only be passed down one generation unless you're born in the UK, so the titles and British connections are going to die out anyway, unless Archie and Lilibert come to the UK. What's the point of it all?

One thing I know for certain is that Diana's boys know beauty when they see it. Both of their ladies are drop dead gorgeous! 😍❤

You're probably remembering the tabloid rumours about Harry and Meghan allegedly rejecting the Earl of Dumbarton title. You won't find anything online or in media that actually quotes Harry or Meghan or an actual spokesperson for them as saying they don't want titles, because they never said that.

It's like the whole "Harry and Meghan left to live a private life" thing - not once did Harry and Meghan ever say the reason they left was in order to lead a life of privacy, but the press have made it up enough times people are convinced they did say it when they didn't.

@Fullupdowntown1a1 did you actually say that the press were easier on kate than Meghan? That's laughable! She was slagged off in the press for years and so were her family. The same as every single woman that has been married into the royal family! The difference between Meghan and kate is that kate just put her head down and got on with it and the press backed off, whereas Meghan is just the gift that keeps on giving.

@TheWheeledAvenger Meghan stated in the OW interview that she is not bothered by titles. Yet she still uses hers and monetises it!

If the book is published no good will come out of it. Actually the reverse. But I don’t think he realises this fact. There is a slim chance that witnessing what he has this past week that he may reflect that the British Monarchy is far bigger than him and his wife.

The hundreds of thousands that have lined up to view the late Queen lying in State surely is testament to how much The Queen was respected.

I don’t doubt that he has his grievances but further airing of them via print isn’t going to help him move forward and build a valuable life in America. It’s just going to come across as petulant and irrelevant.

They need to throw themselves into causes that resonate with people that don’t involve self pity and moaning about a former life in a country they no longer reside in. They have opportunities to go forward but need to stop the backward reflection that isn’t going to achieve anything for them.

The victim mentality needs to stop. You really can’t continue with it. They’ve already “said their piece” so to speak but that’s already been done. Now move forward. Even the ghastly OW has suggested that she hopes the family can find rapprochement (oh the irony).

Nothing good came out of Diana and her Panorama interview that she later regretted or the Andrew Morton book. Or Charles and his confessions to Dimbleby. Sadly his parents went down those paths but times change and futures are to be made and built upon.

Grasp the nettle and move forward I say.

Yet she voluntarily gave up using her HRH (she still has her HRH title, she just doesn't use it) and she's never used her Princess title which Americans generally find more impressive since they don't understand or care about British hierarchy.

Yes I thought I’d seen one of them say it on film. Maybe she had to say that for the US audience?

They need to throw themselves into causes that resonate with people that don’t involve self pity and moaning about a former life in a country they no longer reside in. They have opportunities to go forward but need to stop the backward reflection that isn’t going to achieve anything for them.

Completely agree with this, @friendlycat !

@TheWheeledAvenger no she didn't voluntarily give up the HRH, they were both told they were not allowed to use it as part of the " deal". Technically she is Princess Henry, not a princess in her own right! Not quite as impressive as Duchess of Sussex 🙄

Good post @friendlycat

@FromageRouge Meghan knows full well that the only things that keep her as an " A" list celebrity are her husband, her title and the secrets lies she tells about the royals.

It won't happen. He will publish it. Montecito mansion's aint cheap to run, nor is their lifestyle.
Their "content" for Netflix and Spotify has so far been poor and much ridiculed.
Neither of them are qualified to be spokespeople for the bandwagons they jump on.
All they have is their association to the RF and they will milk it to every last drop, hence the desperation to cling on to the titles.
Wait until the dust settles, I think this is just the beginning tbh.

It’ll be interesting to see what’s in Camilla’s book that is being released 10 days after the queens funeral, that people seem to think is aaaaaaok!

I have read (I'll see if I can find it again) that PH's book is being delayed so that he can add to the manuscript to cover the Queen's death and funeral.

I do however think things will slow down now ! M&H have to treat more carefully now, they had the affection of the queen. King Charles loves his son but it's quite obviously William that has the issue with them and he now holds even more power. I genuinely believe that William would " throw Her under a bus" at the first opportunity he gets.

@bloodyplanes they were initially very tough on Kate it’s true, in her case it was a disgusting form of classism and snobbery which is also awful and missing from the conversation.

As you say the truth is when it comes to the monarchy no one is ever good enough for “our boys”, but it doesn’t make it okay. Diana was mocked and humiliated for being naive and sweet natured and too thin, Fergie was dragged for being fat (she wasn’t) and crass, Camilla was hated because of Diana, on it goes.

However, race and certainly culture played a big role is what Meghan was/is skewered for and the public seemed to be even more gleefully engaged in taking Meghan down than they were with Kate. When you see the contrast between how the media treated Kate during the time they were bullying Meghan it’s hard not to see a problem with it. Yes Kate was picked on, but just because they started picking on Meghan after that doesn’t mean her or her husband should be expected to accept it.

PP seem convinced the book is just going to be 500 pages of mud-slinging.

Feels a bit ghoulish to me. One gets the sense people are licking their chops with glee at the thought of all the muck racking, while pretending to be shocked and outraged. (You know they'll be first in line to read it and will skim to get to all the mucky bits.)

I doubt it'll be an attack or a laundry list of grievances. And I'd bet money Harry will be careful to avoid saying a single word about the Queen that could be interpreted as negative or critical. It'll probably be a very boring sub-Deepak Chopra introspection fest about everything Harry has learned in his life and the importance of mental health. I expect chapters about his time in the military and the lessons he learned there, chapters about Invictus Games and how inspiring the athletes are, chapters about how great Africa is and how he feels a profound spiritual connection to the land. Chapters about his mother and how he learned the importance of charity from her. And loads of guff about how he and Meghan support each other.

I'm expecting it to be deeply boring and contain only a couple of paragraphs of new info about the royals which will be pored over like the Zapruder film in a thousand Mumsnet threads.

Probably some benign book with absolutely nothing about the royals in it! Unlike the whinge fest self pity party that will be Harry's book.

Would it not be Princess Henry of Wales?

Here are Meghan's own words from the interview regarding the title:

Oprah: You know, we had heard — the world, those of us out here reading the things or hearing the things — that it was you and Harry who didn’t want Archie to have a prince title. So, you’re telling me that is not true?
Meghan: No, and it’s not our decision to make, right?
Oprah: Mm-hmm.
Meghan:  . . . even though I have a lot of clarity on what comes with the titles, good and bad — and from my experience, a lot of pain.
Oprah: Mm-hmm.
Meghan: I, again, wouldn’t wish pain on my child, but that is their birthright to then make a choice about.

Well, I'm not at all concerned by the fact that I'll almost certainly be shot down in flames for my opinion - Harry & Meghan haters have always been implacable in their refusal to try to see things from their viewpoint.

I think Harry's the most decent, down to earth, caring and empathetic of the entire Royal Family.

The Queen, bless her, was many things, but empathetic was apparently not one of them; Charles is a pos who thought it acceptable to marry a naive 19 year old to use as a brood mare while knowing all the time that his affections were well & truly engaged elsewhere (and in so doing denied her the chance to date until she found someone who'd appreciate her and love her for herself.)

I would also have plenty of negative things to say about Prince Philip and also about William who seems to have conveniently forgotten that Camilla during the early days of Diana's marriage, pretended to be her friend before later betraying her in a way that no woman should do to another., but frankly I've got better things to do with my time.

Basically, all you denigrators should stop for a minute and ask yourself what you'd do if your new husband was being driven to genuine suicidal impulses by your parents, siblings and household staff. And if you say you'd stay, or forgive them, I'm sorry for you because that'd make you a truly awful person.

@Luredbyapomegranate exactly lol it will be a bestseller for sure. Lots of people support Harry and MM, especially in America. Controversy actually fuels book sales so the opponents of the book will end up being free publicity. It's a win-win situation for publishers.

But they both still hold HRH titles. They may have been told to stop but you can't force someone to not use a title that they legally hold. Meghan didn't have to agree to the deal, she made a choice to do so. If she decided to start using her HRH title again, what power does the RF have to stop her? They can punish her in various ways but short of issuing new LP they can't actually stop her. Ergo voluntary.

You really think Americans know that "Duchess of Sussex" is a more impressive title than Princess? Americans who call Diana "Princess Diana" to this day, without realising she never held or was entitled to that name?