To think Prince Harry should now do whatever it takes to cancel his book contract?

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And withdraw his book?

A rapprochement looks possible if he meets the RF halfway.

It's not about a different POV, the "r word" as you call it gets used when people are making comments ts that fit the descriptor of the "r word". If people don't want to be told they're being racist, maybe they shouldn't be racist...?

I also find that using the word "woke" as an insult is generally a good indicator that someone isn't worth the effort of debating with. Bet you use the word "snowflake" too, don't you?

@Fullupdowntown1a1 if Meghan had just got her head down and earned her respect as a working royal then I think that by now they would be targeting someone else! The British public by and large liked Meghan when they were first engaged, however the more provable lies she comes out with and her fakeness and hypocrisy the more she is detested in this country by both the press and the public.

pressgazette.co.uk/survey-funds-media-coverage-of-meghan-markle-racist/

No. This desperate attempt to re-write history by pushing the false narrative that she was liked until Oprah needs to stop. The hate and racism against Meghan started before they were even engaged, went into overdrive during the engagement, and hit warp speed when she was pregnant. The bullying and non-stop hate online and in the tabloids during her pregnancy was much worse than it has ever been since they left. Why do you think she was suicidal during her pregnancy?

The Palace did not protect her the way they protected other married-ins, and there's plenty to suggest the Palace were actively involved in leaking stories about her and briefing against her. The stuff with her dad was disgraceful too.

It was never going to stop. She was never going to be accepted. She had to get out.

@a1poshpaws I agree with all of this. And just to add, the fact people have so much disgust for Harry while only occasionally mentioning his Uncle Andrew is scary.

End of the day, not every adult child gets on with their family and very often for good reasons. I obviously don't know him personally but he seems happier now, wishing them all the best back in America.

And yes I think the fact they care more about maintaining the image of the royals than the fact people were saying racist things about a couples newborn or someone was feeling suicidal, shows how awful many people are.

When was it that they liked her? Was it when they were posting articles about her being straight out of Compton? Or when they were ridiculing her for talking about the importance of mental health and saying she should show some stiff upper lip? Or when they were clutching their pearls over her putting scented candles in the church for their wedding? Or when they were saying she could have poisoned her little bridesmaids with her choice of flower arrangement? Or when they implied her love of avocados was wrecking the environment and fueling low pay for the workers picking them?

Well said.

Pp who like to throw around the phrase "playing the race card" and different iterations of it are showing their whole entire ass.

@TheWheeledAvenger exactly that! The "institution of the crown" is bigger than any of them! Its not really a voluntary choice to not use it because if she does they not hesitate to slap her down by LP and remove her titles! How would she get the money and attention she so craves then?

I do wonder if "being back in the fold" this last week and seeing the amount of support The Queen and new King have will change their focus? Being part of the pomp and circumstance with a bit of distance may change both of their views, especially Harry now that he has lost the grandmother he professed to be close to and is grieving. Who knows what has happened behind the scenes this week, maybe conversations, dinners together. I hope it will have taken some heat out of their view of how they have been treated. I don't think there is any appetite right now for a book slagging off the Royal Family.

@FarmerRefuted you are confusing the British public with the British press! As I previously stated the press have been vile to every single woman that has married into the royal family for years and Meghan was no exception. The public however were pleased for Meghan and Harry even when they no longer wanted to be working royals and moved abroad. The tide started to really turn against them after the OW interview and its just got progressively worse since then! I do think it's unfortunate that her latest interview slagging off the royals was published only a week before the death of HMQ, which has led to the public loathing her even more.

@FarmerRefuted

Right I don't get when people go back to this mythical time when Meghan was accepted and loved by the public.

I mean was it not even at her wedding she was reported to have made Kate cry and the media and public dragged her for that, when it now seems the truth was she was the one made to cry by Kate. And if the latter isn't true why I find it interesting they didn't put out a press statement correcting that after the OW interview.

They never liked MM, there is a whole host of reels and photo collages people have put together to show how the DM, the most read news paper in the UK, has constantly put out negative stories about Meghan and then reported something similar about Kate but put a positive spin on it.

This was from day one, it did not begin at they left or after the OW interview. Prince Harry even put out a statement criticising the subtle and not so subtle racism in many of the articles. I can't remember when but I think it was before the wedding.

I had to get rid of a friend who sent me a photoshopped picture of MM in her wedding dress with a penis, one the day of the wedding. There is a racist history of comparing women of black heritage to men so I saw it for what it was and phased out the friendship later that year (and btw she showed other signs of racism too, it wasn't just that one incident)

A key indicator of racism is punishing someone of colour more harshly for the same perceived infraction or wrong than a white person who does the same thing. It's like the black footballers who were loved until they made an error in the euro finals and then suddenly they were [insert racial slur] .

No doubt some people liked MM at the start and now do not, but I still believe if she were fully white, she would not have had as many people turn on her or at least attack her like this even if they grew to disagree with her actions.

I really liked Meghan - and was very excited about what she and Harry could have achieved together within the royal family - until they moved to the US and started bad-mouthing the RF at every given opportunity. I just wish they'd put their incredible platform to better use than slagging off the RF!

Tbh i had no opinion on her either way! I had never heard of her. However I must admit that when I watched the engagement interview I did think that she could be trouble. The constantly talking over Harry, making it all about her rather than all about them. Its just not the royal way!

No I hope the book goes ahead so their vitriol is fully exposed.

With her majesty gone, the public will no longer feel duty bound to show begrudging good will.

Harry will become fully rejected by the UK public which will presumably work in H and M's favour as they will no longer be called upon to perform cameos and will finally be able to live the life of tranquility they aspire to have.

That's highly, highly unlikely for several reasons.

First, stripping the child of a monarch of their title for weak reason creates a dangerous precedent that Charles and William are desperate to avoid.

Second, stripping Harry and Meghan of their titles to punish them for committing the crime of wanting to work and live their own lives, and whining a bit, while permitting Andrew to keep his (who's also no longer a working royal), is disastrous optics. Removing Harry's title and not Andrew makes Charles look hypocritical.

Third, making a very public display of punishment would cause a scandal that would backfire on Charles at the very time he needs to create the appearance of stability and unity. There's already a lot of criticism for how Harry has been treated in comparison with Andrew. Publicly punishing his own child but not Andrew makes Charles look petty and vindictive. Charles is not well-liked, he's having to replace a beloved Queen, the last thing he wants right now is that kind of scandal.

Fourth, punishing Harry would lead to wider conversations about how the BRF operates behind the scenes and lead to greater focus on Harry's comments about the unspoken agreements. Edward VIII didn't get his HRH stripped and he abdicated and he was a Nazi sympathiser. There's no way letting Nazi sympathisers and (alleged) rapists keep their HRHs but stripping Harry of his isn't going to massively rebound against the RF.

Fifth, Harry is the King's son and he always will be. Removing a title doesn't change that and comes across as desperate.

Finally, Charles has to work hard to create the image of a King. A Monarch has to be head of their own household and head of the country. A Monarch has to be a diplomat. Why do you think Harry and Meghan were invited for the Jubilee, why they got shoved out to do high profile walks with William and Kate? Why Charles mentioned Harry and Meghan in his speech? Because it's part of the game. It's all PR! The BRF desperately need to make the family look unified right now, and to make Charles look like a peacemaker. How bad does it make King Charles look if he can't even keep peace with his own child? If he severely punishes his own child and removes his child's birthright, it'll do more to damage his own reputation than it will Harry's.

No. People online love their little revenge fantasies. In the real world, there's little chance of that.

And again the weird idea that Americans know or care about the intricacies of British titles. Having her HRH removed formally wouldn't make the slightest jot of difference.

@TheWheeledAvenger I think that king Charles has showed that he is perfectly capable of toeing the hard line by refusing to give Archie and Lillibet HRH titles! Knowing full well how much this will infuriate H&M and give them even more whinging material!

Do I think that Harry should try to get out of the book contract ? yes if he wants a rapprochement with his family.

Do I think the media and those buying into their narrative that Megan is pure evil have behaved disgusting this week ? yes the vitriol Megan has faced is disgusting.

Do I think that Harry and Megan behaved appropriately in the past, no

However over the past week in my opinion they haven't done anything that can be seen as wrong yet we've had smirk-gate which in my opinion a photo has been taken of a facial expression which has been labelled as a smirk to suit the media narrative.

The Royal family have been seen smiling whilst out and about, is smiling not worse than smirking, even if it was true. I'm not criticising the smiling, with grief in the early days you go between hysterical laughing to sadness. I'm just highlighting the double standards.

We then had holding hand-gate, it was disgraceful that Harry & Megan did it but when it was pointed out that Zara and either Beatrice or Eugenie and spouse did the same. people could not explain why it was ok for them but not for Harry and Megan. I don't think that this was due to race but that it didn't suit the narrative that people wanted to paint that about Megan.

I think it's all very complicated. Harry had a privileged childhood but it wasn't a normal childhood. Someone will say but so did William but people react to the same situation in different ways and the death of their mother was a traumatic experience.

What I find most ironic is that the media played a part in Harry's mother's death and now his wife is being hounded by a media driven narrative and no I wasn't a Diana fan so that isn't my reason for saying this.

I know there will be comments that oh they courted publicity but that does not excuse the behaviour of the media or those making vitriolic against Megan now.

My final thought is that none of this affects any of us directly and really what goes on in the royal family is their business and not ours.

I may be simple but I just don't get them, and I just don't know what they want.

They wanted out of the RF, all fine by my book. Lovely mansion and lots of celebrity friends. So why are they constantly complaining and angry, the faces on them both when they are over here.

I get that they dislike the RF and that they both hate the u.k ( it's on record) so why come and demand to be visible all the time. Why not just be like Zara, and other grandchildren. Pay their respects and go back home.

@TheWheeledAvenger Oh and you are definitely reading the mood in the country very badly if you think that Charles isn't well liked. He's played a blinder and captured the mood of the country over the last few days!

He will be bringing it up to date with funeral gossip and titbits……

I really hope the book is a rather boring introspection fest, @TheWheeledAvenger, it would be much better than pages of vitriol. I don't think being vitriolic will make Harry any happier - getting on with his life in the US will.

The tabloids were awful about Kate for years. Their stock in trade seems to be cruel to all new female partners of the Royal Family for a good while.

The two Daily Mail articles about Meghan , the almost straight outta Compton one and exotic DNA ones -that were in the video posted in this thread were racist. However, no excuse for those 2 articles, but even the tabloids mainly gave positive coverage until a few months after the wedding. The public were v supportive. They then - especially the Daily Mail - got vicious and were criticising Meghan almost daily. I remember thinking she may have done something to annoy them. We have since read that the Royal Family have an agreement with the press on matters, how articles are shared amongst the press etc, and I wouldn’t be surprised - I have zero evidence of course - Meghan and Harry didn’t want to follow this agreement and this angered the toxic Daily Mail who became relentless in their criticism. Even if she did annoy them their relentless criticism was grim.

Fwiw I actually don't think Meghan could win this week no matter what she did. She has been visible as a member of the royal family and supporting her husband and has been roundly slagged off for having the nerve to show her face at a time like this. But if she had jumped on a plane back to the USA then she would have been slagged off for that as well. But I suppose you reap what you sow, she has courted controversy and now she has it regardless of if she wants it or not!

Eh?

Your comment was about Charles "not hesitating" to "slap Meghan down" (lovely misogynistic language) by removing her and Harry's titles. Why have you changed the subject?

Stripping his own son's title is very different from not giving Archie and Lili titles to begin with!

Oh and you are definitely reading the mood in the country very badly if you think that Charles isn't well liked. He's played a blinder and captured the mood of the country over the last few days!

Well yeah you would say that.

Can someone show me proof that Charles has denied the Sussex children their HRH titles?

Proof not in a tabloid?