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To think Prince Harry should now do whatever it takes to cancel his book contract?

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FromageRouge · 16/09/2022 22:13

And withdraw his book?

A rapprochement looks possible if he meets the RF halfway.

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Inyournewdress · 21/09/2022 16:42

Roussette · 21/09/2022 14:27

So we are now back to 2003 and his A levels. Gosh, there can't be much to criticise him about today if we're going back nearly 20 years!

Actually it was me who raised that and it wasn’t really by way of a criticism as such, although I didn’t know about the art teacher! As someone who failed art gcse I was so impressed with that B!

Inyournewdress · 21/09/2022 16:46

PaperTyger · 21/09/2022 13:20

I don't know if it's fair to judge Harry's grades after the trauma he suffered just starting secondary school?

I agree and I was not judging them, just speculating about them as part of the fuller picture. I suffered the unexpected loss of a parent at the same age so if anyone is making allowances for that, it’s me. But no one gave me or others in a similar position any leeway on grades, come to think of it, still that wasn’t relevant for Harry since he clearly wasn’t staying in academia.

NeverDropYourMooncup · 21/09/2022 18:09

oakleaffy · 21/09/2022 14:32

It's the cheating and fibbing that is being called into question.
Which children from other schools get ''Miss'' to help with their 'A' levels?

They don't..They study and put the effort in themselves.

A symptom of how Harry in particular has been rather weak and ''Helped'' a lot in his life to date.

Too many schools. Pressure is put on the staff in the form of performance related pay, wanting to get a better set of scores on the doors or just in seeing kids who have very little chance of getting pass grades in the examined components/100% exam subjects and wanting them to leave with at least a couple of passes. It's one of the reasons why the then Government abolished the coursework/controlled assessment components in the majority of subject - the potential for 'Just go and have a look at Samuel's coursework and make sure he's included everything he's supposed to, especially linking the work to the stimuli', 'It would be such a shame if James didn't get a grade after he's worked so hard in the last two lessons having been largely in Inclusion for the previous two years , wouldn't it? Very disappointing for the department if you fail to get the best mark he deserves', 'See if you can help Hannah with the formatting of her portfolio and let me know where it's been saved on the system' and it strangely ends up with a last saved date of a Sunday in the Easter holidays. Teachers can and do get found out.

onlylarkin · 21/09/2022 19:10

OK, here it is from the US Governements mouth so you can all stop speculating on citizenships.

In order for Prince Harry to obtain US Citizenship, he would have to renounce his titles.

"C. Renunciation of Title or Order of Nobility
Any applicant who has any titles of heredity or positions of nobility in any foreign state must renounce the title or the position. The applicant must expressly renounce the title in a public ceremony and USCIS must record the renunciation as part of the proceedings. [5] Failure to renounce the title of position shows a lack of attachment to the Constitution.
In order to renounce a title or position, the applicant must add one of the following phrases to the Oath of Allegiance:
I further renounce the title of (give title or titles) which I have heretofore held; or

I further renounce the order of nobility (give the order of nobility) to which I have heretofore belonged. [6]

An applicant whose country of former nationality or origin abolished the title by law, or who no longer possesses a title, is not required to drop that portion of his or her name that originally designated such title as a part of his or her naturalization. [7]"

www.uscis.gov/policy-manual/volume-12-part-j-chapter-2

In order for Prince Harry to even start to become a US citizen, there are residency requirements.

"General Eligibility Requirements
To be eligible for naturalization under section 319(a) of the INA, you must:
Be at least 18 when you submit Form N-400, Application for Naturalization;
Be a lawfully admitted permanent resident of the United States for at least three years immediately before the date you file Form N-400;
Have been living in marital union with your U.S. citizen spouse during the three years immediately before the date you file your application and while we adjudicate your application;
Have lived for at least three months in a state or USCIS district having jurisdiction over your place of residence;
Have continuous residence in the United States as a lawful permanent resident for at least three years immediately before the date you file your application;
Reside continuously within the United States from the date you filed your application until the date you naturalize;
Be physically present in the United States for at least 18 months out of the three years immediately before the date you file your application;
Be able to read, write and speak English and have knowledge and understanding of the fundamentals of the history, and of the principles and form of government, of the United States (also known as civics); and
Be a person of good moral character, attached to the principles of the Constitution of the United States, and well-disposed to the good order and happiness of the United States for at least three years immediately before the date you file Form N-400 and until you take the Oath of Allegiance.
For more information, see the USCIS Policy Manual, Volume 12, Citizenship and Naturalization.
For information relating to spouses of military members, see our Citizenship for Military Family Members page.
For information about becoming a lawful permanent resident (LPR) or petitioning for family members, please visit our Green Card or Family pages."

Harry can apply for a Green Card due to his marriage to a US citizen. Once approved, he will become a Long Term Resident.

www.uscis.gov/green-card/green-card-eligibility-categories

Once he becomes a permanent resident, he has the following rights and responsibilities (he does not have to renounce his titles)

Your Rights as a Permanent Resident
As a permanent resident (Green Card holder), you have the right to:
Live permanently in the United States provided you do not commit any actions that would make you removable under immigration law
Work in the United States at any legal work of your qualification and choosing. (Please note that some jobs will be limited to U.S. citizens for security reasons)
Be protected by all laws of the United States, your state of residence and local jurisdictions

Your Responsibilities as a Permanent Resident
As a permanent resident, you are:
Required to obey all laws of the United States and localities;
Required to file your income tax returns and report your income to the U.S. Internal Revenue Service and state taxing authorities;
Expected to support the democratic form of government (“support” does not include voting. Permanent residents cannot vote in federal, state, or local elections.); and
Required to register with the Selective Service, if you are a male age 18 through 25.
For more information, see the Maintaining Permanent Residence and International Travel as a Permanent Resident pages.

There are many, many permanent residents in the US who never naturalize. So it is not unusual.

onlylarkin · 21/09/2022 19:16

In regards to Archie: he does hold both US and British citizenship. In order to claim his US citizenship at the time of his birth in England, Harry or Meghan would have had to file paperwork with the US Embassy.

Birth of U.S. Citizens and Non-Citizen Nationals Abroad
If you are a U.S. citizen (or non-citizen national) and have a child overseas, you should report their birth at the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate as soon as possible so that a Consular Report of Birth Abroad (CRBA) can be issued as an official record of the child’s claim to U.S. citizenship or nationality.
CRBAs are issued to both U.S. citizens and non-citizen nationals. A CRBA documents that the child was a U.S. citizen at birth. The CRBA neither serves as proof of the identity of the child’s legal parents nor is it intended to serve as proof. In general, the name or names listed on the CRBA are the U.S. citizen or national’s parent(s) who have a genetic or gestational connection to the child. The name of the parent(s) through whom the child’s claim to U.S. citizenship is made must be listed on the CRBA. A parent who is not transmitting U.S. citizenship may be listed on the CBRA with consent of the parent who is transmitting U.S. citizenship.
You can apply for a CRBA by completing Form DS-2029. For instructions on how to apply for a CRBA, visit the webpage for the nearest U.S. embassy or consulate in the country where your child was born and navigate to the American Citizens Service section. Please note the application must be signed in front of a consular officer, notary public, or other person qualified to administer oaths.
If one parent is not a U.S. citizen or if the U.S. citizen parent who is transmitting citizenship to their child is not present when applying for a CRBA, that parent should complete Form DS-5507 as supporting evidence, and it can be used to list the periods of time they spent in the United States.
If the child was born out-of-wedlock, and the father is a U.S. citizen or non-citizen U.S national, use Form DS-5507 to acknowledge the child and voluntarily agree to financially support them. Form DS-5507 must be signed by the father at a U.S. embassy or consulate or in front of a U.S. or foreign official who registers births or who is responsible for oaths.

Same for Lilli:

Do children of UK nationals born abroad obtain British citizenship by birth?
Children who are born outside of the UK from British nationals can acquire UK citizenship “otherwise than by descent”. This classification means that the child will be able to pass on this status to future generations born either in the UK or abroad.
According to the 1981 British Nationality Act, an individual born outside the UK can be a British citizen if at the time of the birth either the father or the mother was a UK national.
Children under the age of 18 can acquire or register for UK citizenship if they can meet the following requirements:
Both parents have lived in the UK for three years on the date that the application is submitted
Both parents sign and consent to the application
If the child is aged ten or older, he or she must be of good character
If both parents were born in the UK, the child will automatically acquire citizenship status. However, if the parents are both British nationals who were born abroad then their children will need to be registered for nationality. The same applies to children who were born overseas who were adopted by British parents.

onlylarkin · 21/09/2022 19:24

So to recap:

Harry is a citizen of the UK. He does not have to naturalize in the US, he can remain a LTR for life.

Meghan is a US citizen. She, I assume, has no plans to renounce her US citizenship to become a citizen of the UK. It would be terribly difficult since she is not actually living in the UK right now.

Both the US and the UK allow dual citizenship. So neither Archie nor Lilly would have to chose.

travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/legal/travel-legal-considerations/Advice-about-Possible-Loss-of-US-Nationality-Dual-Nationality/Dual-Nationality.html

The one thing that throws a huge wrench into everything is taxes.

The US now requires US Citizens living abroad to file and pay taxes. This has lead to a large number of US citizens living abroad to renounce their citizenship. I am unfamiliar with the way taxes work in the UK. I would like to think that only the US is stupid enough to want taxes on income earned in another country, but who knows.

Hopefully this clears up any speculation and we can move on to ASSuming on other topics.

onlylarkin · 21/09/2022 19:31

Oh, and both Archie and Lilli are eligible to run for the office of President. Meghan is as well, Harry is not.

The media speculates Meghan could run for President. She could no longer use her Duchess of Sussex titles. Harry could be First Husband, but I can not find any information on if he would have to give up his titles. That is kind of uncharted territory TBH.

Minimalme · 21/09/2022 19:33

I have just watched the clip of Harry speaking as part of "The me you can't see".

I had got him so wrong. He has been brave to leave. They are a dysfunctional family and he has done the right thing.

His book is about him finding his voice and stating his own opinion. Refusing to be shut down by the RF "industry".

Good luck to them both.

Cameleongirl · 21/09/2022 19:39

Thanks for all the info., @onlylarkin
😂

onlylarkin · 21/09/2022 19:47

Cameleongirl · 21/09/2022 19:39

Thanks for all the info., @onlylarkin
😂

I mean, we can't speculate if we can see what the facts are right?

This frees us up to speculate other things now.

😂

FromageRouge · 22/09/2022 16:17

PaperTyger · 21/09/2022 13:20

I don't know if it's fair to judge Harry's grades after the trauma he suffered just starting secondary school?

It wasn’t “after he started secondary school”. They had already decided before Diana’s death to keep him on at prep school for an extra year (grades reasons, I think). Which probably was just as well, considering.

William’s education was impacted at a more critical stage and he did okay.

There’s nothing wrong with varying levels of academic prowess.

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FromageRouge · 22/09/2022 16:20

maddening · 21/09/2022 13:42

Charles told Harry that Meghan could not travel to Balmoral with him wheb the Queen died, and then the rest of the family left in a jet without him and he had to get his own flight. They drove past his house to get their plane on which there was sufficient space for Harry.

Well yes, now they’re wary of her. After all the interviews. But originally I thought at least some of the family were very welcoming to her. I was answering PP who said “I doubt a rapprochement is possible because I don't think Meghan will ever be accepted into that family, and that's what the problem has always been.”

Im not sure that’s true.

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MarieIVanArkleStinks · 22/09/2022 16:36

onlylarkin · 21/09/2022 19:31

Oh, and both Archie and Lilli are eligible to run for the office of President. Meghan is as well, Harry is not.

The media speculates Meghan could run for President. She could no longer use her Duchess of Sussex titles. Harry could be First Husband, but I can not find any information on if he would have to give up his titles. That is kind of uncharted territory TBH.

Good Lord, I wish she would. A biracial woman POTUS would be something to behold, and the venomous UK press would have a shit fit!

J0y · 22/09/2022 17:24

Meghan is just not smart enough to make it far in politics. That goes for most of us. It was the American press who tore down the South American (in origin) senator Alexandra occasionally cortez and she is extremely clever. Had an answer for everything but never let criticism derail her.

Maireas · 22/09/2022 17:33

I also think to be POTUS it's necessary to have a very thick skin. The press would absolutely go for you, and all manner of stuff gets dredged up.

Floweryflora · 22/09/2022 17:46

I think it’s very clear that both Meghan and harry are very poor at strategy. If they were not they’d not be in the pile of shit they currently are in. They react emotionally, immaturely, tactically and let’s face it are manipulative and punitive. They also heavily over play the victim card and are deep into entitlement . There is no way they can make it in politics.

maryso · 22/09/2022 17:55

Their business model provides for only one, through the Duchies (Lancaster, Cornwall) yet expects the "spare" to stomach whatever is thrown at them with grace. This calls for a combination of low esteem and even lower choices but enough intelligence or personality to not stray, and does not bode well for even an exemplary spare's mental health.

Given that the Sussexes have to pay for themselves and their position brings high security costs, the Royal Family simply can't afford to pay the Sussexes to not earn their own living. This was so predictable, and what has happened has happened again and will happen again, etc. So I would estimate the chance of withdrawing the book as near zero. Possibly a delay, but that would be a gift from the Sussexes that will never be reciprocated by the rest of the family. Sad, but that's the system they earn their living from.

I'm not convinced that being academically challenged necessarily stands in the way of financial independence. So the lack of stellar grades seems a little like a red herring.

LondonWolf · 22/09/2022 18:05

Good Lord, I wish she would. A biracial woman POTUS would be something to behold, and the venomous UK press would have a shit fit!

Well she couldn't do a worse job than the current biracial VPOTUS...

Bacibaci · 22/09/2022 19:00

Prince William’s exam results were good. He received 12 GCSEs and three A-Levels in Geography (A), History of Art (A) and Biology (C). I believe there was no A* when he took them. He also got a 2:1 in Geography at degree level. Yes, he had the best education, but those results are none too shabby. On a general note, people shouldn’t be judged negatively on their academic ability, it is only one aspect of a person.

J0y · 22/09/2022 19:57

Floweryflora · 22/09/2022 17:46

I think it’s very clear that both Meghan and harry are very poor at strategy. If they were not they’d not be in the pile of shit they currently are in. They react emotionally, immaturely, tactically and let’s face it are manipulative and punitive. They also heavily over play the victim card and are deep into entitlement . There is no way they can make it in politics.

Yes, even if they both experienced huge epiphanies and matured a lot in the next decade, their emotional reactivity and martyr card playing in the past would be held against them.

hopeishere · 22/09/2022 20:34

Is it all about money though? Because the RF could do something about that. I assume he will get money from the Queen now.

But I think Meghan wants a platform and to be taken very seriously as an issues person.

I think with time they could have carved out a role within the RF but didn't give it enough time.

PaperTyger · 22/09/2022 20:43

Fromage rouge,

One person can live through dreadul things and their work won't be impacted,it may even be a refuge..

Another person may not do well, struggle to concentrate etc.

People either forget or don't realise that before Diana's awful death both William and Harry has a horrendous time of it.
They may have been ferried around in ultra posh cars or worn the best clothes but that didn't actually protect their hearts and emotions from the pain their parents caused them.
And as far as I am aware Harry never asked to be compensated for his grades?

IrisVersicolor · 22/09/2022 20:56

hopeishere · 22/09/2022 20:34

Is it all about money though? Because the RF could do something about that. I assume he will get money from the Queen now.

But I think Meghan wants a platform and to be taken very seriously as an issues person.

I think with time they could have carved out a role within the RF but didn't give it enough time.

Of course they could have carved out roles just as K&W have, they had already started. But then they were hounded out of the country.

maryso · 22/09/2022 21:21

hopeishere · 22/09/2022 20:34

Is it all about money though? Because the RF could do something about that. I assume he will get money from the Queen now.

But I think Meghan wants a platform and to be taken very seriously as an issues person.

I think with time they could have carved out a role within the RF but didn't give it enough time.

It's never entirely about money, however the basic premise is that it all goes to the heir and not the spare, which leaves the spare/s always short and needy. A family business should have more in-built flexibility than relying on an individual's favours. As to whether the Sussexes could manage without independent earnings, you merely have to look at Andrew for the very clear answer, and if anyone were to inherit from the Queen personally, it would be him. Yet there the Yorks are, scrambling for a bit here and a bit there over the years. Anne and Edward seem to manage, however the press and social media have been pretty vile to the Sussexes, still are, even now. So between the begging bowl and repeatedly having your self esteem degraded, why not take control of their lives and earn some peace of mind.

bellabasset · 22/09/2022 22:22

Harry has renewed his lease on Frogmore so that indu