To think Prince Harry should now do whatever it takes to cancel his book contract?

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And withdraw his book?

A rapprochement looks possible if he meets the RF halfway.

The Daily Mail makes a lot of money in the UK and US, mainly down to divisive stories such as 'Royals v Meghan and Harry', so it's in their interests to whip the situation up. If people stopped reading and believing everything they read the world would be a happier, far more pleasant, less divisive place.

Posted too soon. Completely agree @Rapidtango

I couldn't read the DM if you stuck a gun to my head. Weird paper, always going on about woman flaunting themselves somehow. No, they're wearing a dress.

Harry is free to publish whatever he wants. But he will hurt his family and I'd think that would be a strange thing to do when you are complaining how they hurt you. Doing the same thing back makes you as bad as them.
Go be happy, live your life but why the need to do all your arguing in public ? Not going to help your kids live a press free life. Look at Peter and Zara and even Edward. Never in the papers for anything gossip worthy. It is possible.

@TheWheeledAvenger You’ve made a lot of good points but I always thought it was Anne’s choice for her children not to get titles just as Edward and Sophie chose to do similar?

It was Anne's choice. Sensible woman.

Totally agree. Harry can do what he wants. I don't think he will ever be pleased with his lot though. If I were Charles I would give Harry's children 50 titles.

😂 long ones. V v long titles. Prince of that town in Wales with the v long name.

Does it start with a C or a K? I hope you don't mind me asking?

I’ve no doubt the highly intelligent and dignified Obamas carried off the meeting with aplomb, they can handle anything that’s thrown at them, but that doesn’t negate the fact it was a faux pas.

It sounds like a faux pas to me too, but the issue is perspective. The UK's history as a slave trading nation and a colonial power is under a particular spotlight right now. Once the Queen's funeral is no longer news this will only increase.

Why is this happening at the time that people who actually lived under the empire are dying off? Because the world is moving on, the UK isn't as important as it was, and present values - whatever they are - are always affirmed by a wholesale rejection of the past. Right now that puts the UK in the crosshairs despite that being the very country that eventually suppressed the trade. If, 100 years from now, we live under a world dictatorship, American values will probably get the same treatment and only a few archaic cranks will argue for any sort of nuance.

The Obamas understand this very well if half the things they've said about American values were sincere.

@Roussette What do you mean?

What do I mean, what?

Your post said Harry probably heard about the queen only minutes before the public because of the time difference. What time difference???

He was on the UK and had been for days

@FromEden there's strict protocol around flights - I believe William and Harry can't fly on the same plane as if, in the small chance it went down, that would mean the loss of the heir and the 5th in line now.

Apparently Meghan has requested a visit with the King to discuss issues. Harry had to leave his lifestyle when they left the UK. Whatever you think of Meghan wasn't that what was expected of her, a woman who had no experience of living in the UK let alone the RF.

I hope for Harry's sake she'll manage to start to repair the damage done by the Oprah interview and mend her fences with her own father. However should Harry ever want to move back to the UK isn't the King guardian of his gc so could use that to insist they were brought up in the UK if Harry wanted that?

should Harry ever want to move back to the UK isn't the King guardian of his gc so could use that to insist they were brought up in the UK if Harry wanted that?

I believe this is so in principle, but does anyone imagine that taking a woman's children from her is a hill Charles would wish to die on, just to placate his son?

The media would go absolutely berserk and this time they'd have a point, so while I'm not going to speculate about divorce, any consequences which arise from Harry's own choices will be for him to deal with

There's the additional hitch of the children being dual citizens too.

The American government is very strict regarding "forrin" parents taking their children to live abroad, I know this because I'm British married to an American and our children are dual citizens. Unless Meghan was completely on board with moving back to the UK, there's no way Harry could bring them, absolutely no way. The Americans wouldn't make an exception for them as it would be a terrible legal precedent.

Harry's in a tricky position in the US. He can't apply for citizenship as he'd have to forfeit his titles (all of them) so he'll always be on a visa and have fewer rights. I doubt he considered any of this before moving, but there we are.

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Apparently Meghan has requested a visit with the King to discuss issues

How much would you love to be a fly on the wall listening to that conversation?

I'm curious to who leaked the information, surely to goodness they all realise leaking information just isn't the way to do it. Have the meeting without people immediately asking what was that about.

Not much time for meetings. Charles is now back in Balmoral with Camilla.

I imagine the book will have huge sales as people buy it in the hope of enjoying tasty revelations about senior royals calling Meghan the N word to her face whilst feeding live kittens to a slavering corgi pack.

What they'll get for their £19.99 is 600 pages of self-indulgent wank about mindfulness, self-healing and finding yourself (90% ghost-written) padded out with glossy pics of Harry and Meghan looking wistful whilst staring at a Californian sunset.

Along the lines of the books celebrity bloggers/influencers release for the Christmas market.

For the record- I would assume any book published by William & Kate to be tedious too.

Most celebrity autobiographies are dull and poorly written IMO.

Why would he have to forfeit his titles?

Harry has a good ghost writer (can't remember his name, but very experienced)

You have to forfeit all foreign titles when you become an American citizen. I've been through the naturalization process myself and it's one of the requirements.

Personally, it wasn't something I needed to worry about. 😂

Really?. Surely Archie and Lilibet are American citizens - does that mean they can't have titles?
If not, what was all that business on the Oprah show about being denied titles because of colour?

Surely that just means he can't use them in America? The titles were inherited/bestowed under British law. No other authority can say they don't exist, and he can't renounce his princehood.

@ReneBumsWombats I don't know the ins and outs of how it works, but this is what it says on the naturalization application:

A. Do you now have, or did you EVER have, a hereditary title or an order of nobility in any foreign country?

B. If you answered yes, are you willing to give up any inherited titles or orders of nobility that you have in a foreign country at your naturalization ceremony?

The correct answer is yes if you want to become a citizen!

I presume that means that he couldn't use the Duke of Sussex title in the US. As you say, I don't suppose it makes any difference in the UK.