To think Prince Harry should now do whatever it takes to cancel his book contract?

[FromageRouge]

And withdraw his book?

A rapprochement looks possible if he meets the RF halfway.

@Roussette wow, I only asked a question. You reposted it, so must know it's true ? Surely you wouldn't repost something that's just been made up.
I KNOW they didn't go on easy jet, any of them, as there was photo evidence. I don't know why the plane was delayed an hour in London or why H wasn't on it. So I don't make stuff up,

Posters continually repost nonsense and twaddle. Especially if they are H&M detractors and it buys into the narrative of all that the couple does is wrong. I imagine the scenario from my repost to be true.

@Roussette why do you imagine it to be true ? I am genuinely interested as I can not understand how people can go around stating things as fact just because it fits a story they like. That's called Fake news and is not the truth. It's lies and slander, whoever says it.
If there are no facts to support a story how can you just believe it ?

You don’t know it to be true though. I assume Harry had a place. But he delayed due to Meghan wanting to go or optics or some such and the plane didn’t wait. Understandable. Her children were on board and they largely took precedence over a grandchild.

@Mummyoflittledragon for some reason the plane was on the tarmac, with family in it for over an hour. Fact, as there was a camera trained on it the whole time. Don't know why so won't make something up 😊

The same as all the H&M detractors post, repost, believe all the nonsense lies made up about this couple.
I imagine it to be true because of how the RF have been. I have an opinion. Much like you. This is an opinion forum.
If MN insisted that everything posted had to be true with a reputable source, MN wouldn't exist.

How can you believe some of the stuff posted? It's called opinion.

Yes Roussette agree with you and if people are saying that Harry shouldn’t be able to tell his story, then nobody should be able to tell it for him - including those that are so desperate to criticise him and his wife at whichever opportunity they can. His story has been controlled throughout his life, it feels only right that he should be able to reclaim it

@Roussette I don't believe stuff about anyone or anything unless I have seen facts. If I don't know it's true I'd never repost or state it as fact. V simple. Truth matters.
Fact check things, look at different sources, and if there are none, don't believe it. Especially on an anonymous site like MN !!
Opinions are great, but they are not the truth. My opinion ? People like drama and make crap up because they want to be centre of attention.

@Inkanta absolutely he should tell his story. However trashing his grandparents while doing it was pretty low, when one of them was close to death. If he wants to trash his family in public again he needs to understand the consequences. That he might not be v welcome in that family again. His choice.

Exactly.
So much is made up and manipulated about the couple, it's got beyond a joke. I think the media has been appalling whilst he is over here. Him and Meghan have done nothing wrong. They have behaved impeccably. Yet the threads on here have ratcheted up and the worst of the media and the likes of Wootton, Pierce, Levin and Tominey have worked themselves up into a frenzy with their vitriolic criticism of them.

Just last night Pierce has posted an unpleasant tweet and spent time on GB News saying it was right to 'bar' Harry from any reception. Like Harry didn't expect to go in the first place, but let's pretend he is angry at not being invited. Using the word 'bar' is like a bouncer had to throw him out as he tried to get in! It's pathetic.

I just wish there was more truth out there than DailyM, Wootton, Tominey and the likes of Levin who people seem to buy into.
I think they have been badly misrepresented in the British papers. If there isn't a story they just make one up for clickbait. I feel sorry for H&M
What I said in 2019 on threads stands..
They cannot do a thing right

Yes to that.

@Inkanta @Roussette can you see that you're just doing the same thing though. Yes, those people are vile and make stuff up about H & M. But you're doing the same by claiming facts about others as the truth.
We all need to insist on the truth as otherwise we may as well believe in Alice and a white rabbit.
Be better than the crappy press and yes, stick up for what you believe in, but base your reasons on facts. Not conjecture.

I said it's what I believe to be true. As I said, this is an opinion forum although you say to me you personally won't express an opinion unless you have a source to back it up.

If you want to believe the likes of Pierce, Levin and Wootton that's up to you.

Er, where did I say I believe them ? I actually called them scum. Again, you read what you want to and avoid the facts.
I hope you all get through today however you feel you need too. I'm off to walk the dogs.

Enjoy your day too.

Mumneedswine, perhaps the plane was on the tarmac for an hour because they were waiting for Harry, he was held up and they had to leave - very time critical, obviously.

I'm not an advocate of violence but the scrote Piers Morgan needs taking round the back of a shed somewhere... The Daily Mail makes a lot of money in the UK and US, mainly down to divisive stories such as 'Royals v Meghan and Harry', so it's in their interests to whip the situation up. If people stopped reading and believing everything they read the world would be a happier, far more pleasant, less divisive place.

Yeah, actually I think your description here is pretty far off base

This does not surprise me in the slightest.

I am familiar with the painting thanks, are you familiar with the history of African peoples in the Dutch Republic in 1654? (the date of the painting).

A trading nation with a 5% share of the transatlantic slave trade (trading somewhere between 500k and 1 million slaves in total) and colonies in the Caribbean, slavery directly contributed to its growth as a major economic power. Merchants from all over the world visited with their slaves.

What benign narrative do you conjure for an African child in domestic service at that point? Virtually all Africans in Europe at that time were slaves or descendants of slaves. Those who had been freed were generally in domestic service or labour - which contributed, with slavery itself, to the conception of Africans as a servile race.

Hanging the painting in a museum as an important piece of history, is not the same as hanging it in the private apartments of a family with a history of profiting from slavery, surely you can see that?

The Israeli President and his wife are arriving for tea. Do you display your picture of “The Wandering Jew” when your family has a history of anti-semitism?

I’ve no doubt the highly intelligent and dignified Obamas carried off the meeting with aplomb, they can handle anything that’s thrown at them, but that doesn’t negate the fact it was a faux pas.

I would day when the press are reporting how shitty harry has been treated without it coning from him ots fairly safe to say its accurate given how they ha e been trashing him and Megan for years with nothing positive to say. There were 5 avaliable seats on that flight. Yes the prime minister needed to know but personally I would ensure my own children all knew before telling her if it was me. The rest of the country could wait an extra hour or two. What would it matter as it does not change what happens it just delays the announcement.

Your relation to history is your own obviously, but this kind of angst over it isn't universal or a realistic relationship with the nature of history.

I regularly work on a street named after a governor who systematically in his work persecuted and killed my ancestors. It was in fact his job to do this and he apparently was quite keen on it at a personal level too - by all accounts a right bastard. This in no way affects my sense of myself as a person. It does not pain me to go to work in the morning. We are all the products of the past, we all have ancestors who have been slaves, and in some sense also we all are the products of the winners who climbed over the bodies of others.

The vast majority of major artifacts from the ancient world up through the modern period are the product of forced labour of some kind, the craft of people who were not wholly free. We can see them depicted on everything from Greek vases to illuminated manuscripts and 17th century paintings.

Frankly I think this kind of rhetoric is mainly a way to avoid considering the degree to which we are all, today, relying on goods and infrastructure that are equally the products of exploitation and often of modern slavery - and that to a large degree there is little we can do about it. Somehow if we throw ourselves into despondency over things that happened several years ago we can imagine we are good people who would never be implicated in anything like that.

This is not about my relation to history, it’s about the history of enslaved peoples, ongoing racism within society, and acknowledgement of both.

In summary, because you work on a road named after a man who persecuted your ancestors and you’re fine with it, the entire history of racism and colonialism should just be brushed under the carpet. No awareness, no apology, no reparations.

No doubt you didn’t mean your post to sound as pompous and witless as it does, but there it is.

Haven’t RTFT sorry, but I can’t see why Harry would change anything about his book now. I didn’t know he’d written one till the Queen died and it was referred to in the coverage. I knew it was a possibility though.

Harry is not just now finding out that his grandparents were elderly or ailing, or that family circumstances would be changing. So clearly if those things didn’t matter then, they won’t now. I don’t see any sign either that he or Meghan want any kind of reconciliation. In fact their behaviour has ‘burning bridges’ written all over it. Of course they will not and cannot be trusted again, they should not be and I don’t think they want to be. After this Harry will go back to America and they will continue to fund their celebrity lifestyle by selling off their connection to the Royals as best they can. I could easily see him drifting further from Charles and William and rarely visiting the UK in any formal or public capacity again.

Given the coverage or the unpleasant media articles, who can blame him?

I am sure Harry knows his family and the British media will continue to say harsh things about him and Meghan no matter what they do. In their shoes I would do what I want.

To be quite honest, I thought Harry was doing just that. I’m not really one to follow royal news closely. And apart from Andrew, I don’t really follow up on the comings and goings of the rest of the royals.

Which makes sense because I wouldn’t have known about Harry’s podcast and his book if people, who seem unhappy about it, didn’t mention it.