To think Prince Harry should now do whatever it takes to cancel his book contract?

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And withdraw his book?

A rapprochement looks possible if he meets the RF halfway.

@Fullupdowntown1a1 I don't know but I strongly suspect.

Its abolition of the monarchy first and foremost for a lot of posters and it's clearly stated on these type of threads (I'm no monarchist btw) but people want the book to 'blow the doors off' the establishment and 'Hip Hip Hoorah' for PH he is going to be the one to do that for us. No credible therapist would ever recommend dealing with your mental health issues in the way he is doing, and I do believe most people know this.
He is just being used by a whole host of people for various different reasons either to generate money or to fulfil an aim that they want to see for themselves. The book has been finished and signed over to the publisher and it doesn't look like its been cathartic and healing for him, quite the opposite in fact.

I have said before and a poster has said it on here too that this is a slow motion car crash and no one wants to see that played out so publicly, except those that are going to gain something from it. So to me all this 'poor Prince Harry' smells of faux concern.

That's interesting, because Meghan has been with them for many years, from when she was early on in her career.

I hold hands with my OH all the time after YEARS. Including while watching TV... without an audience.

Perhaps you're so angry because no one wants to hold your hand?

Perhaps you're so angry because no one wants to hold your hand?

reminded of my young teen doing bantz with their friends by this.

Pointing out objective fact is inappropriate and offensive to you?

I took one brief look and in two minutes:

"The obsessive vilification of Andrew is just a way of indirectly being an anti-monarchist."
"People are being nasty just because it's Andrew."
"Rabble with pitchforks is a desperate look."
"So much hysterical frothing over something that didn't happen."
"The Andrew defamers need to get a grip. Embarrassing."
"Can't have grips, they'd need to put their pitchforks down."
"Sensationalist claptrap."
What a vile thread. Mumsnet is becoming a cesspit."
"Such a spiteful thread!"
"The unhinged are out in force. Desperately pathetic."

Dozens and dozens of comments bombarding anyone who criticises Andrew with terms like unhinged, pathetic, spiteful, vile; dozens of comments raving about witchhunts, pitchfork-wielding rabble, flaming torches, etc.

If you include the many other threads about Andrew in the past (which were equally full of rantings about vile unhinged spiteful pitchfork-wielding rabble) which were full of excuses, claims that photos were digitally edited when even Andrew himself has never denied the photos are real, and numerous comments calling Virginia a liar and a gold-digger who's making it all up for attention.

Yes there are absolutely posters on MN who defend Andrew with all they have. You can scream "OFFENSIVE" all you like but you cannot deny facts.

they told him to jog on as he can’t capitalise being royal. That’s why he’s where he is, he never left due t9 abuse for gods sake, he left becayse they thought they could make loads of dosh in the states

Well, it's possible they left to make money and to escape the abuse, but the issue that the various toxic public allegations didn't start until they failed to get their way is another of those things that's never answered - a bit like why they edited the headlines on Oprah if there was so much media abuse to choose from

Funny, that

'You can scream "OFFENSIVE" all you like'

Who is 'screaming'? I'm pointing out that suggesting someone was 'stroking his daughter's arse' is inappropriate, offensive and not true.

Quite frankly I think it's ridiculous people believe it's strange that couples still show affection to each other because there is an unwritten '6 month rule'. I hope my teenage quote put that across

That's lovely however I hope you're not one of these couples who insist on holding hands while walking along the pavement making me step into the road. Now that really is unforgiveable

Haha! No, it's just common decency to make way for others, single file! Although we may be too busy gazing into each others eyes 😂

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I have not stated that anyone who disagrees with me is racist

I have stated that many people are racist this is why such anger is projected towards Megan. Racist people rarely admit they are racist they rarely say I dislike John because he is black they will say I dislike John because he has a chip on his shoulder usually followed by a remark like well why do you expect from someone like him. they reason why they dislike like that person and somewhere their colour/ethnic background will be mentioned. Daily Mail is well aware of this thats why there is far more photos and column inches dedicated towards Megan and her husband that William and Kate

To deny that racism doesn’t play a part is ridiculous but keep your head in the sand if you prefer to live that way

Whatever @TheWheeledAvenger. I don't 'hate' Harry's wife if you actually read my posts you'll see it is Harry I find hypocritical and annoying with his contrary ways.

PA wasn't stroking his dd's arse, what an awful to say about a grieving family who were viewing the flowers and mementos people had left.

You do realise we can see your posts, right?

And yet he did.

So, it's offensive and inappropriate to talk about it, but not to do it? Right 

Seriously, we're going backwards at an alarming speed. I can't imagine being so wet for the royals that I start discounting what I see with my very own eyes. It's a cult.

Bizarre!

I just don't know what to think. It was unfortunate footage and the most my DH would be doing is touching a shoulder or the small of a back with our adult DDs. But I do think they are a touchy feely family if what they say is anything to go by. I am, my DH not so much

I am far more concerned at him ingratiating himself back into the family and Charles letting him do royal duties

After the funeral I do not want to see his face ever again to be honest

www.newsweek.com/prince-andrew-interaction-princess-eugenie-raises-eyebrows-online-1741984?amp=1

YABU. A few smiles during a funeral means that the racism is just forgiven?

Nor me! He looks like a block of sweaty lard.
Just my opinion.

'I am far more concerned at him ingratiating himself back into the family and Charles letting him do royal duties'

Yes I agree he can't use it as an opportunity to get his feet under the table but that footage is just him bending down. I really doubt with all the cameras and people present he would think to assault his own dd. It's a bizarre thing for the pp to suggest.

No, I agree, perverts never operate in plain sight:

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/jul/06/linda-nolan-vanessa-feltz-rolf-harris

It appears racist when the Tindalls also held hands and no-one criticised them for it.

I think they're in a pickle. None of their endeavours seem that successful. They're jumping from issue to issue. They "broke free" but pick at the past constantly.

If I was C I would ask them are they happy? If they are then can they please stop slagging off their family. If they're not then what can he do to help? Maybe revisit the half in / half out model. Let them live where they want but do some Royal stuff. And buy them out of the book contract.

I don't think anyone believes he made a conscious decision to sexually assault his own daughter in front of cameras.

That's a misreading of the situation, and an exaggeration.

This is how I perceived the situation:

I'm sure most women have had experiences with men who are so entitled they have no respect or understanding of boundaries involving women's bodies. Think about all the men who think nothing of touching the small of your back when they move behind you, or of moving your body when you're in the way (or they think you're in the way) rather than verbally asking you to move. That kind of behaviour gets defended a lot but men never do it to other men. That kind of non-consensual touching isn't assault, but it's an indication that those men don't respect women or women's right to bodily autonomy. They simply don't regard women as people or have any awareness of normal boundaries. Men like that will casually touch your breasts or backside, not as a deliberate grope, but because they just don't see those boundaries or think those boundaries apply to them.

I've seen tons of men who touch all women like this. I've definitely seen men who touch their daughters like this and I don't think those men would ever dream of assaulting their daughters and would be shocked if someone accused them of it. It's more general male entitlement and seeing women's bodies as property. I don't think Andrew had any nefarious sexual intent, and from the video it looked like he did remove his hand when he realised it was on her backside. I think he's just a very entitled man who is so used to treating female bodies as objects and property that he did so without thinking.