To think Prince Harry should now do whatever it takes to cancel his book contract?

[FromageRouge]

And withdraw his book?

A rapprochement looks possible if he meets the RF halfway.

There is no protocol around hand holding, it's made up protocol to attack Meghan. None of the other royals who held hands at the memorial are sparking this outrage.

Holding hands isn't "bloody silly" it's sweet and normal.

The pictures you show are Royal family members at much less formal occasions than the laying in state of the Queen. Of course you know that.

Sadly not surprised

many like to pretend they don’t see it or it’s only real racism if certain words are used

and to the poster who mentioned Thatcher yes she absolutely did have to deal with sexism as did May (ffs the who has the best legs)

and it is not on that they did/do have to deal with this. They are also making decisions that impact our lives Megan is not so why such intense anger towards her

it’s for many because she isn’t white why is that so hard to accept. That they have other reasons to but that will be the underlying feeling why she stires up such anger and I suspect for many they may not feel such anger but feel it’s not really a persons place to be married to an heir of the thrown

The bottom line is...if M&H had not held hands, just Zara and Eugenie/Beatrice, would you be posting about it on this forum as a breach of a protocol?

NO

It's Meghan who attracts the ire

So according to you the rule is that official royal protocol states it's fine for royals and even for the Queen herself to hold hands at anything other than Laying in State of a dead monarch?

Source for such an extraordinary claim?

That's my point. It's easy to find out the real word, I did it.

Perfectly put @Roussette . Funny how the other couples holding hands didn’t get vitriolic threads about how “disrespectful” and “ridiculous” they were being.

I also thought that being pregnant (with or without MH problems) could have been potentially been easier to explain absence under the guise of vague "feeling unwell" ...in the way that The Queen (I know clearly they are much more junior in age and status) has, in the past year, pulled out of things at fairly short notice due to "mobility issues" which is also pretty vague, and was potentially a cover for more serious issues.

I'm pretty sure at the time, or prior to the time, Harry was patron, or had some involvement with heads together the MH charity, and had already discussed having therapy so I was unsure why he didn't have anyone he could have sought help from (as well as her having support from the portland) If the press did see them at the Portland there are all manner of pregnancy related issues she could have been there for.

I really do wonder if the ardent royalists will be able to drag themselves away from posting hate about Meghan online for long enough to actually watch the funeral.

I guess we'll see.

Because you said for those feeling sorry for themselves because they have been accused of being racist as they don’t like Megan just take a step back and think how it feels that you are judged and not accepted simply because of your skin colour

Which I read as meaning look at yourself and accept how black people feel without question, and accept their faults (which are nothing to do with skin colour) without comment.

Apologies if I've misinterpreted your comment.

I agree with you, @miserablecat.
Privacy is absolutely protected at the Portland (and other hospitals). When I was there I saw a minor royal and she quite rightly was able to go there without the press knowing.

That would solve nothing, she will still be able to peddle her twisted version of events for as long as she lives.

Lol exactly, they complain about having to hear about her and they wish she would fade away but it’s them who are providing 90% of the discourse with their obsessive hate.

Thank you. We have to bear in mind the press and some posters here had to search meticulously for something to criticise.
Holding hands fell into their laps but then, dammit, other Royals held hands pffft, but hang on! She was part of the more major Royals, so she can still be criticised, phew, lucky escape!

That's what some of the criticism looks like on these threads to me, of late. Here and on other SM I see much more pushback because the ridiculous comments about a couple who have behaved impeccably is starting to look like some sort of deranged vendetta

@StormzyinaTCup how do you know that though?

We know that Ellen said chipmunk however Angela Levin went straight for “chimp”. There’s only one reason why she did that because they’re not in the slightest bit similar. And when asked why she thinks Meghan isn’t fit to be in the RF she can’t answer, yet it’s blinding bloody obvious.

I probably would because although holding hands in Church might ok in some circumstances this was not one of them. I've said in a couple of posts that I wished they hadn't done it for their own sakes. And I recall you posted that they probably shouldn't have done this either. Anyway it matters not a jot. if it gave them comfort in a stressful situation then fair enough.

For instance, in relation to my last post...posts like this

Yes, the moving of the goal posts would be almost humorous if it wasn’t so nasty. I’m glad you’ve started to see some more pushback though because, as you said, the vendetta is getting to the point that it’s a little scary in how unhinged it is.

HRT Queen

What you've said is highly defamatory. I think to state categorically that people who disagree with you are racist is to be inflaming strong and negative feelings, and, IMO, it is a lesser form of a hate crime.

You are stating that people don't think somebody who has non- white genes should marry a prince. But who really thinks and feels in that prejudicial way? To think this way would be absurd. I find it ridiculous to suggest that, especially when the government cabinet is diverse. There is every evidence that people are not prejudiced in their voting behaviour and that is one way of measuring it.

I don't really understand some people's view of the RF. Their merit is in what they do for the country. Nobody cares about individuals and their choice of partner.

I can hardly think of any way Meghan and Harry could have done more to bad mouth the institution of the monarchy. I would never have imagined the level of demands and sense of entitlement that they have shown since their departure as working royals. If you were to write a play about somebody rubbishing a role they'd chosen and then expecting it to pay out for life, you could not have made it larger than life and more exaggerated than the existing state of affairs. There are so many genuine reasons to feel critical of the married duo, that there is no cause for anyone to feel that prejudice is motivating the feelings of most of those who critisize.

I was talking with DD (a Harry Styles fan) and she was joking that every woman he's involved with is hated by fans....until the next girlfriend/partner comes along and suddenly the current one is deemed far more awful than the previous one....and then the previous one becomes more likeable.

I compared this to the Royals. Diana was scrutinised and (to some extent) criticised, then Fergie came along and was instantly joked about , criticised and compared unfavourably to Diana and Diana was the golden girl.
Similarly all the "Waity Katey" articles and criticism of Kate, then Meghan came along and suddenly Kate could do no wrong.

(I can't remember if Sophie had the same treatment from the press although she didn't have a direct comparator from another Royal wife)

I think though it is more complicated and the criticism more intense with the advent of social media, in that anyone and everyone (including on MN) can publish an opinion on them.

Do the men joining the Royal family get more than a passing comment? I've never seen any articles comparing the husbands of Beatrice and Eugenie, or pitting one against the other.

You are stating that people don't think somebody who has non- white genes should marry a prince. But who really thinks and feels in that prejudicial way

I will put this as politely as I can.

A LOT OF PEOPLE

Most of the offensive stuff I see on Twitter and various forums is from those calling everyone else a racist. It is shocking how this serious accusation has been appropriated by people as a way to try and silence others.

Some posters need to stop projecting and recognise these 2 have behaved appallingly to the Queen and those she loves in the 2yrs before her death, they have caused a great deal of sadness for his UK family and no one will forget that in a hurry.

@Wartywart i think you make a fair point, but also you see this pattern time and time again with famous people, especially those who grew up in the public eye. They want to leave but they really struggle to do that. I think in truth it’s kind of addictive, the lows are near unbearable, but the highs are easily missed when they disappear. Also a post fame life is not usually like a pre fame life, people see the once but no longer famous as losers often, or they still view them as public property in a way so opting out isn’t as straight forward as it seems. Mainly I think if you have derived your self worth from being born special, as in the case of Harry, and have been affirmed in this all your life- you are probably going to find it hard not to try prove yourself to the same people in another way- even if rationally you know you don’t need to and that you were never actually more “special” to begin with.

I can hardly think of any way Meghan and Harry could have done more to bad mouth the institution of the monarchy. I would never have imagined the level of demands and sense of entitlement that they have shown since their departure as working royals.

The point is, their 'bad-mouthing' was in retaliation to leaked lies about them. Imagine reading shit every single day in the press about yourself that you know has been leaked by those close to you. Then being expected to just 'keep your head down' and take it on the chin? Nah, fuck that!

The venom aimed at M was everywhere long before the OW interview, I don't know why posters are pretending otherwise. Piers Morgan was sacked just after that interview, yet had been vicious towards her for ages beforehand. Just stop pretending.