To think Prince Harry should now do whatever it takes to cancel his book contract?

[FromageRouge]

And withdraw his book?

A rapprochement looks possible if he meets the RF halfway.

It's such an unhealthy idea that you need to publically explain your grievances.
Even if those grievances have any basis.

For a healthy happy life you need to work out what you want from life how to get that, how your past influences you and get on with living how you want.

The idea that any solace is gained from publically declaring yourself a victim and accusing others is so deeply mistaken.
That is not what a good life is.

They are obviously very damaged people who still believe their happiness depends on how the world views them. They need more spiritual type guidance to help them understand that peace is found within and not through public victory.

It shouldn't matter to you what we think, so we don't need your book.

The therapeutic concept of 'speak my truth' is misinterpreted to mean speak my truth publically to influence others view of me, rather than work out privately with those close to me what is true for me and how I want to live.

This is a slow motion car crash of dysfunction and damaged people making more terrible decisions, and I can't look away.
It's very sad but a compelling human narrative.

Harry has a publishing deal because he is a member of the royal family, so he is cashing in on his connections, as is Meghan. Do you think they would have been given a long form interview with Oprah if it wasn't for their royal connections? Meghan Markle, the actress, wouldn't have that clout.

Sections of the press and people on SM have been vile about Meghan but there was a lot of goodwill at the start, I think the goodwill would have been maintained if they'd bowed out of royal duties and raised their family on a Canadian ranch or on a farm in Africa, joining the royal family for important occasions, family holidays etc, but that's not what they've done (despite Harry previously suggesting he'd be happy doing similar). They're milking their royal connection, because, tbh, it's all they have.

This is what I found online [avoiding tabloid sources]

Penguin-Random House are the publishers of Harry's 'memoir' for £20 million No details of the advance have been leaked

The original release date was late Nov 2022 in time for Thanksgiving/Xmas but back in August there were concerns that the date might be pushed back into 2023 because Harry was considering re-writing some of the material dealing with his difficult relationship with Charles and Camilla when he was growing up.

Obviously, this was before the Queen died but not impossible that Harry had been made aware of how very ill she was over the summer and was re-assessing his feelings about his father and stepmother etc

I had a really good look and there was nothing about any difficulties with William and Kate being a reason for delay/re-write last month - their names only came up 3-4 days ago in the DM etc which I didn't bother to read.

I know nothing about publishing but would imagine the Penguin-Random House would be sympathetic /open to some delay - providing that they don't stand to lose to much money.

This is why the royal families no comment policy works so well.
It absorbs short term damage, which over time, consistent public service repairs.

H&M want & wanted immediate validation every time. They were not prepared to absorb any short term flak, for long term admiration through service.

They are now in a cycle of trying to 'win' short term victories over and over. The OW interview, other interviews ongoing, and now this book.

I'm sure each time feels good and vindicating initially, but it won't ultimately make them happy, there will be no ultimate 'win', at some point they just have to get on with enjoying their life whilst living with the reality of a complex difficult breakdown in family relationships.

@MalagaNights

Good post. I agree.
However this is what Harrys parents modelled.
They both... both played out the break down of their marriage on TV. Imagine being prepped for mum and dad's TVinterview as a young boy??

Many of mumsent are a decade younger than me ...in my 40s.
They don't remember the huge interviews!

Charles and Diana discussed deeply personal things and also Charles'has spoken out about his childhood and upbringing.

So this is what Harry I guess feels is what one does?

Speaking of the press being awful, nobody ever commented on why it was deemed necessary to manipulate the headlines shown on Oprah?

For that matter why are the appalling "(almost) straight outta Compton" and Danny Baker's filth endlessly regurgitated, when to read comments about the media's "constant hate" you'd think there'd be more recent items?

Dreadful as some of it has been - and still is, on internet sewers - I do have to wonder if the MSM's approach is now being exaggerated by those who expect to deflect blame for H&M's own words and behaviour

Meh it'll probably be delayed a few months and then released

I do not think it'll be cancelled now just because of the passing of the Queen

It's the equivalent of someone who's gone low contact with their family continuing to post stories on Facebook about how awful their family are.

Even if their friends think they had a hard time, they do start to look as if they have a problem themselves, they can't let it go and they want to keep hurting the family they've distanced themselves from, and it quite quickly just starts to look nasty to the family who don't reply.

For what reason does a person whether royal or not, need to publically show they were right and hard done by?
It's a psychologically weak place to be.

@LondonWolf thank you for bringing historical accuracy to this thread!

Yes, I agree.
Good points about slavery, @LondonWolf

Using his mothers death and the fear he has of losing another woman some may say Meghan was a master manipulator here. I will kill my self if I don’t get my own way. Before I get jumped on I know someone just like this and I’m not saying it’s the case for Meghan, just offering another point of view. There is every chance she was putting on an act.

Gosh. I hope you don't *ever" have to speak to someone who has suicidal thoughts

Ooooh, I think you have nailed it!

Oh gosh... you do 😮

@Roussette actually I have supported someone with genuine suicidal thoughts. I have also had the misfortune to know someone who lies manipulates and threatens suicide whenever they don’t get their own way. If you read my post I said I didn’t know if this was the case with Meghan and just offering a different point of view. She is a proven liar in other respects. She could well be telling the truth on this however, but also maybe not. Throughout that whole interview it was all about “Meghan” or “my wife” . It’s like he doesn’t matter.

Ok. The worst part of the OW interview was when Meghan said that she was suicidal when pregnant. I found that shocking and disturbing that not only she didn't get help, but that same evening had to attend an event at the Albert Hall. Now someone should have intervened to help that woman, and I'm going to question why Harry (or anyone else) appeared to be unable to.
She was booked in at the Portland - now that's an expensive package with good reason - help, support and monitoring is frequent and available 24/7. I had a consultant ring me at home, and midwives on speed dial.
Now if Meghan was too het up to do something, Harry should have contacted one of those people on her Portland team, at the very least. If he was too upset, someone on their behalf. This really should not have happened.

It's all a bit Jeremy Kyle really.

I found that shocking and disturbing that not only she didn't get help, but that same evening had to attend an event at the Albert Hall.

That's entirely on Harry, I'm afraid. If he'd have said, 'My wife is too ill to attend and I will be staying with her. You need to contact her midwife immediately.' It would have been done. The PR could have put out a statement about 'exhaustion' or something if they did not want to disclose MH issues.

The palace officials would not have manhandled them out of the house or disobeyed an order from Prince Charles' son.

They are bonded to attention, it's a psychological trait they both have. They think they want a quiet life but it's impossible because of who they are and this deep need. So they court the attention they need in various ways. Interviews, book deals, charity work. They have a lifestyle that needs funding so this helps fund it too. It's all emeshed and

Harry won't renege in the book, he knows the Queen would die.

Meant to say enmeshed and I think they are both trapped. I don't like them because if the hypocrisy of it all but I do feel sorry for them.

What has she lied about exactly?

Yet those who say she lies can be proven to have told countless lies, including despicable behaviours such as hacking the phone of a dead girl.

Please list all the so called 17 lies such as:

She said she and Harry married before the official ceremony (which any right thinking person knew what she meant), that she did not cooperate with the Finding Freedom book, which the court papers prove to be true and that it was Jason Knauf who was forcing her to provide clarifications but she never directly collaborated the emails proved it was Jason being a snake, what else.

All the so-called lies can be immediately and clearly squashed.

The liars are the ones who pretend not to be lying adulterers.

His mother also manipulated people to get her own way....maybe she faked accounts of her suicide attempts (throwing herself down the stairs was one of those accounts made public). Diana also did an interview that trashed "the firm" yet people still thought she was a living, breathing saint.

All the so-called lies can be immediately and clearly squashed

Only if you're prepared to use the same sort of supposition which some attacking her do, to the point of turning reality on its head and insisting on things they can't possibly know

Of course this cuts both ways, but I often think some of these arguments could be avoided if it was accepted that Meghan's neither to blame for everything nor some kind of faultless example to us all

It will be interesting to see what Harry says about his previous girlfriends in the memoir. It obviously won't be appropriate to go into detail but Chelsey was with him for most of his turbulent 20s so hope she gets some recognition.

Short term flak is a minimisation if the scale of the abuse. Sure Diana, Fergie, Charles copped flak in the past, but it was not on the scale of the trashing of MM. The misogyny, the racism, the swivel-eyed lunacy is nothing I’ve ever seen before, and everyone involved - the media, the SM and posters on here should be ashamed of themselves.