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To think Prince Harry should now do whatever it takes to cancel his book contract?

808 replies

FromageRouge · 16/09/2022 22:13

And withdraw his book?

A rapprochement looks possible if he meets the RF halfway.

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LondonWolf · 17/09/2022 09:18

Tierne · 17/09/2022 09:12

@LondonWolf
I wouldn't bother with these two (who strike me as socks). On page 11 I basically put to bed both their paper thin arguments. They've had to let those lines of discussion go and return to the more soundbitey "but racism!" with new posters. Ignorance paired with vitriol is an exhausting combination 🤭

You're so right! My poor dog is crossing his legs waiting to go out right now and I am arguing on MN. Time to get off here for the day 😊

oakleaffy · 17/09/2022 09:18

MyStarBoy · 17/09/2022 08:56

Yes it should be stopped.

But unfortunately it’s Meghan who has always steered that relationship in her direction and soft boy follows.

We’re all aware of her extremely broken and dysfunctional childhood and family, so realistically what could we expect.

This.
The letter Meghan’s brother wrote to Harry is eerily accurate

Meghan appears to use men as stepping stones and ladders to get to where she wants to be.
Harry is good for a few tens of millions yet.
But wouldn’t be surprised if he too gets the “Rings back in the post” when that cash is blitzed through.

DisforDarkChocolate · 17/09/2022 09:19

No.

The family history of being the 'spare' is not good. I'd stay away too.

Wartywart · 17/09/2022 09:20

What I don't understand is why, with all the money they started out with, they didn't just go and live a quiet life away from the press - which Harry says he finds triggering in that video posted upthread - I could definitely have retired to a very comfortable life indeed on that money. I just don't get the need to keep in the public eye, therefore in the very press that he hates.

ReneBumsWombats · 17/09/2022 09:22

LakieLady · 17/09/2022 09:13

Do you really believe that mixed-race people don't experience racism?

Fffs, it was even incorporated in US law under the "one drop" rule. And my MIL still refers to people of mixed heritage as "half-caste". 🙄

There are posters on here saying that articles calling Meghan a "black sheep", fetishising her "exotic DNA" and comparing her blood to blue Windsor blood, describing her as "almost straight outta Compton" and saying her very black mother's crime-ridden neighbourhood is nothing like leafy Kensington, aren't racist. What are you supposed to say to that?

awaynboilyurheid · 17/09/2022 09:25

quote : This is the same Kate and William who entertained the Obamas with a slave painting on the wall, with its label “the negro page” hidden by a plant pot. The same K&W who embarked on a cloth-eared tour of the Caribbean that was by all accounts excruciating to watch.

The painting was in a palace then William and Kate would not have known the painting I expect there are quite a few on show! but agree advisors should have noted it and had it removed.
I doubt W and K go round checking each picture before a visit, it’s not like they will have a few from Ikea. The Obamas and W and K are great friends so that speaks volumes.
Also I do agree the visit to the Caribbean was badly handled, excited children grabbing their hands through a wire gate isn’t a good look but apparently it was a football or sports event and just excited kids. Once again it’s all perception.
Not one bit of this shows W and K are rascist but if Meghan says it enough in interviews then mud even imaginary mud sticks.
Trump was an expert at this, with his I’m going to open all the coal mines inflation is down employment is up etc it was all lies but no one could prove it till ages afterwards. Meghan seems to be employing the same tactics.

oakleaffy · 17/09/2022 09:28

Wartywart · 17/09/2022 09:20

What I don't understand is why, with all the money they started out with, they didn't just go and live a quiet life away from the press - which Harry says he finds triggering in that video posted upthread - I could definitely have retired to a very comfortable life indeed on that money. I just don't get the need to keep in the public eye, therefore in the very press that he hates.

When they said they were decamping to Canada,
I thought genuinely that they’d be living a lovely life on a Ranch somewhere in BC, far away from the Press
Harry possibly likes privacy, but his wife is the polar opposite.
She likes the cameras and attention too much to ever be content in a remote area of Canada 🇨🇦 with Bears as one’s closest neighbours.

LakieLady · 17/09/2022 09:29

ReneBumsWombats · 17/09/2022 09:22

There are posters on here saying that articles calling Meghan a "black sheep", fetishising her "exotic DNA" and comparing her blood to blue Windsor blood, describing her as "almost straight outta Compton" and saying her very black mother's crime-ridden neighbourhood is nothing like leafy Kensington, aren't racist. What are you supposed to say to that?

Fuck knows, I'm lost for words.

If anyone had told me in the 70s what we'd still be battling these attitudes nearly 50 years later, I think I'd have given up all hope of anything changing with regard to racial equality and awareness, I might have lost the will to live.

stuntbubbles · 17/09/2022 09:30

IrisVersicolor · 17/09/2022 08:59

This is the same Kate and William who entertained the Obamas with a slave painting on the wall, with its label “the negro page” hidden by a plant pot. The same K&W who embarked on a cloth-eared tour of the Caribbean that was by all accounts excruciating to watch.

I’m not accusing them of being overt racist - I have never met them - but they have proven themselves to have zero racial awareness.

Exactly. Observers, and the Royal Family themselves, seem to think “racist” means being overtly National Front, Britain First, using slurs, etc. But posh white people racism is more subtle and insidious than that, and most people don’t even recognise their own unconscious biases: William knows “racism is bad, therefore ‘I’m not racist!’” as he bellows – but I doubt has taken the time to do the self-examination it takes to dig deep down and discover he probably is, a bit. Given our media and his upbringing, it would be almost impossible not to be.

Chevyimpala67 · 17/09/2022 09:31

Historically, second sons are tricky

ReneBumsWombats · 17/09/2022 09:32

I can disapprove of some things M and H have done while also rejecting the idea that he's a simpering fool with no agency who just gets dragged along by the three-inch talons Meghan has in his back and that blatantly fucking racist commentary isn't blatantly fucking racist.

BigFatLiar · 17/09/2022 09:35

Grandeur · 16/09/2022 22:16

YABU. I doubt a rapprochement is possible because I don't think Meghan will ever be accepted into that family, and that's what the problem has always been.

I don't think Meghan wants to be, where would the value be n that?

Harry is these days a minor royal with little publicity value in his own right. Much more value in living in the states and being the hard done by child hated by his family for the colour of his wifes skin. I doubt most of the royal family could care less about Meghan's colour.

Harry was never the 'good' boy, dressing up as a nazi, wild parties etc. To suddenly be poor Harry is a bit of a turnaround.

IrisVersicolor · 17/09/2022 09:39

ReneBumsWombats · 17/09/2022 09:32

I can disapprove of some things M and H have done while also rejecting the idea that he's a simpering fool with no agency who just gets dragged along by the three-inch talons Meghan has in his back and that blatantly fucking racist commentary isn't blatantly fucking racist.

This.

IrisVersicolor · 17/09/2022 09:42

awaynboilyurheid · 17/09/2022 09:25

quote : This is the same Kate and William who entertained the Obamas with a slave painting on the wall, with its label “the negro page” hidden by a plant pot. The same K&W who embarked on a cloth-eared tour of the Caribbean that was by all accounts excruciating to watch.

The painting was in a palace then William and Kate would not have known the painting I expect there are quite a few on show! but agree advisors should have noted it and had it removed.
I doubt W and K go round checking each picture before a visit, it’s not like they will have a few from Ikea. The Obamas and W and K are great friends so that speaks volumes.
Also I do agree the visit to the Caribbean was badly handled, excited children grabbing their hands through a wire gate isn’t a good look but apparently it was a football or sports event and just excited kids. Once again it’s all perception.
Not one bit of this shows W and K are rascist but if Meghan says it enough in interviews then mud even imaginary mud sticks.
Trump was an expert at this, with his I’m going to open all the coal mines inflation is down employment is up etc it was all lies but no one could prove it till ages afterwards. Meghan seems to be employing the same tactics.

The picture was in their personal apartments in which they entertained the Obamas.

I’d suggest if the royal family have so many paintings that they’ve lost track of the one depicting slavery while entertaining a world leader whose wife’s forebears were slaves then they need to do an inventory quickly.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 17/09/2022 09:44

What I don't understand is why, with all the money they started out with, they didn't just go and live a quiet life away from the press - which Harry says he finds triggering

Maybe because that money wasn't infinite, and while it might have funded "a quiet life" in a much smaller home, their current lifestyle will likely require even more cash

And it's because the book would provide a decent slice of that needed cash that we're wondering what'll happen with it

SleepingAgent · 17/09/2022 09:47

bloodyplanes · 17/09/2022 01:14

@TheWheeledAvenger Oh and you are definitely reading the mood in the country very badly if you think that Charles isn't well liked. He's played a blinder and captured the mood of the country over the last few days!

Really? Confused

Teenyliving · 17/09/2022 09:48

@SleepingAgent i think Charles is a complete dickhead - and his dickheadishness will slowly alienate those who don’t currently think he’s a dickhead 🤷‍♀️

Roussette · 17/09/2022 09:57

TheWheeledAvenger · 17/09/2022 00:34

PP seem convinced the book is just going to be 500 pages of mud-slinging.

Feels a bit ghoulish to me. One gets the sense people are licking their chops with glee at the thought of all the muck racking, while pretending to be shocked and outraged. (You know they'll be first in line to read it and will skim to get to all the mucky bits.)

I doubt it'll be an attack or a laundry list of grievances. And I'd bet money Harry will be careful to avoid saying a single word about the Queen that could be interpreted as negative or critical. It'll probably be a very boring sub-Deepak Chopra introspection fest about everything Harry has learned in his life and the importance of mental health. I expect chapters about his time in the military and the lessons he learned there, chapters about Invictus Games and how inspiring the athletes are, chapters about how great Africa is and how he feels a profound spiritual connection to the land. Chapters about his mother and how he learned the importance of charity from her. And loads of guff about how he and Meghan support each other.

I'm expecting it to be deeply boring and contain only a couple of paragraphs of new info about the royals which will be pored over like the Zapruder film in a thousand Mumsnet threads.

I totally agree. When the subject of the book came up originally Harry had said it would be about his life at Highgrove, school, growing up, the army, almost like an autobiography so I have a feeling some posters on here are going to be deeply disappointed there isn't the dirt that they can attack him with

Tierne · 17/09/2022 09:59

Harry had said it would be about his life at Highgrove, school, growing up, the army,

Stuff that literally nobody cares about, which his publisher all too well knows...

Roussette · 17/09/2022 09:59

TheWheeledAvenger · 17/09/2022 00:44

No. This desperate attempt to re-write history by pushing the false narrative that she was liked until Oprah needs to stop. The hate and racism against Meghan started before they were even engaged, went into overdrive during the engagement, and hit warp speed when she was pregnant. The bullying and non-stop hate online and in the tabloids during her pregnancy was much worse than it has ever been since they left. Why do you think she was suicidal during her pregnancy?

The Palace did not protect her the way they protected other married-ins, and there's plenty to suggest the Palace were actively involved in leaking stories about her and briefing against her. The stuff with her dad was disgraceful too.

It was never going to stop. She was never going to be accepted. She had to get out.

This ^^

There were threads on here that were vile way before they married

derxa · 17/09/2022 10:00

Wartywart · 17/09/2022 09:20

What I don't understand is why, with all the money they started out with, they didn't just go and live a quiet life away from the press - which Harry says he finds triggering in that video posted upthread - I could definitely have retired to a very comfortable life indeed on that money. I just don't get the need to keep in the public eye, therefore in the very press that he hates.

I asked one of M&H's greatest fans on here why they needed so much money and they replied that they needed money so they could donate it to charity. Confused

Tierne · 17/09/2022 10:03

@derxa
On another thread, cant remember which, their fans were asked to describe what they actually liked and appreciated about them, and they weren't able to say.
I just take any support for them as being about anti-British xenophobia now, much in the same way they feel attacks on MM must be racism.
What's good for the goose...

AngelicaSchuylerAndHerSisters · 17/09/2022 10:04

The press were AWFUL to Fergie. And how many times did we see embarrassing pictures of ‘Shy Di’ and ‘waitey Katie’ in the early days? The press always comes for the incomers. I personally haven’t seen anything racist, but they would have given a hard time to anyone because it sells papers, unfortunately.
I thought Meghan was a breath of fresh air. I thought she was exactly what the royals needed: poised, beautiful, intelligent, articulate…But, sadly, I find her very insincere and that interview with Oprah was a car crash. And I think Harry was the most relatable royal - but that is long lost now.

derxa · 17/09/2022 10:12

Tierne · 17/09/2022 10:03

@derxa
On another thread, cant remember which, their fans were asked to describe what they actually liked and appreciated about them, and they weren't able to say.
I just take any support for them as being about anti-British xenophobia now, much in the same way they feel attacks on MM must be racism.
What's good for the goose...

It's all a bit strange. I see them as quite ordinary people who have found themselves in the spotlight. One through birth and one through marriage. They could have done so much good but haven't

ajandjjmum · 17/09/2022 10:14

bloodyplanes · 17/09/2022 00:21

@TheWheeledAvenger Meghan stated in the OW interview that she is not bothered by titles. Yet she still uses hers and monetises it!

IMO a good interviewer would have asked 'Do you intend to stop using your title?'