To ask you to read this cautionary tale of what we're sleepwalking into?

[AspireMe]

unherd.com/2020/10/how-corporations-can-delete-your-existence/

Some people might say she deserved it. Others might disagree.

Some people on here think TWANW. Some corporations might in turn deem that thought as heresy.

Encouraged more and more each day to go digital, paperless and cashless... what are we walking into here?

Posie Parker (Kellie Jay Keen) has been banned from loads of sites for having gender critical views. I wonder when she'll start having problems with her bank? Still, I'm sure most commenters will just dismiss her as "far-right" or hateful for being a women's rights activist and say she deserves it.

Are you deliberately misunderstanding me?

If Brexit meant that suddenly loads of us were at risk of being left with no access to our own money without warning, there would have been way more than a million out protesting.

For the ?third time - not all protests are comparable to what you are saying.

You keep talking about reliance on technology being us "sleepwalking" into something sinister yet all of the replies you have made to me involve protests regarding absolutely nothing to do with reliance on technology. Your OP does and plenty people including me have explained why terrorists and terrorist supporters being stripped of access to services doesn't mean the rest of us will be.

We are not Canada.

No, we are the UK. The country where my parents did not have the same rights as other citizens. Do you know what happened when they protested @Natty13?
Imprisonment without charge.
Torture.
Repeated destruction of our home.
Extreme violence.
Daily low level harassment for decades.

All this at the hands of the UK government. Don't make the mistake of thinking this won't happen to you because you live in the UK.

Do ex criminals dh a murderer get stripped of bank accounts/twitter etc?

eg not dh

Wow. There is nothing left to say - you support terrorists, whoever they claim to be, holding funds in UK banks, and believe that banks should act illegally in holding those funds. Disgusting

Haven't lots of banks been fined for allowing money laundering? And HSBC was allowing cartel money to flow in. Seems the balance dictates how moral they are

This gives banks too much power.
How about those who are gender critical? Or don't want to accept a mandated medical procedure? Or attended an anti royal or anti government protest?
What if those were deemed to be punishable by denying access to funds?
I'm not saying it would happen but the potential is terrifying.

I work in a bank, and this has gone on for years. Any suspicious activity is flagged and the account frozen pending investigations, which admittedly can take weeks. Banks can’t tell you why it’s been frozen, so you’re just in limbo. I agree with it in theory as it stops potential criminals, but if you’re innocent, and the investigations take a while, it can severely impact your access to pay bills etc.

Use cash. Only use cash. A cashless society would be a very bad thing.

Just from the banking perspective I know someone who had their online banking hacked & the hackers used her account to launder money. The first thing she knew was when she got letters saying she was 3 months in arrears with her DD, the bank had closed her account after they detected the money laundering, no letter or anything. She had real problems finding a bank that would her to open a new account & her original bank had frozen the money in her account which was over £20k.

Er...because I'm a citizen of this country who is horrifically concerned with the growing authority and power these giant tech companies actually hold over us in a rapidly-increasing technological world, perhaps?

Careful now. Your FOTL friends won't like you calling yourself a citizen.

You and your mates tag-teaming this thread are too obvious, and you're too obviously following the play-book script. And using the "What if BLM...?" argument just reminds us your position is ALM.

I get it OP.

There is a subset of people who are able to decide what is acceptable and what isn't, and we are all beholden to them and their decisions. Some of those decisions are right (anti terrorism eg) but what happens when the decisions they make aren't 'right' (eg anti abortion)? We are still beholden to that decision, and vulnerable to its consequences. We hold no power.

I think you are missing my point. And the point of the thread. And the point of the article. Try listening

If banks suddenly had the right to take away women's access to their own money for being feminists, I fully believe we would all be out raising hell.

It's already happening! Women's groups have had their fundraisers banned, their paypals stopped... haven't seen you "raising hell". Seen you defending the principle that they should be allowed to do so, though.

How about those who are gender critical? Or don't want to accept a mandated medical procedure? Or attended an anti royal or anti government protest?
What if those were deemed to be punishable by denying access to funds?

This has certainly happened. First two that spring to mind:

Dutch feminists: cne.news/artikel/1685-dutch-feminists-blocked-by-banks-for-critique-of-transgender-bill
Colin Wright: twitter.com/triggerpod/status/1570097217146613763

It concerns me also

Say hackers took down a whole bank HSBC for instance.

War is going cyber, who know what other countries will do in the future to take down another country

Being digital worries me.

This is how it is now in China. Jaywalk and they slow your internet. Terrifying.

I think this related thread is interesting - people getting Facebook bans for daft things, and then getting repeated bans for even dafter things once they are on Facebook's radar.

www.mumsnet.com/talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/4632273-to-be-fucked-off-by-constant-facebook-bans?page=1

Yes I know that technically no-one needs Facebook - but for the OP of that thread it is her main way of staying in touch with friends and family, as well as a key route for her small business. So being banned from a major platform everyone else uses can really affect someone's life.

Can you give me an example of this happening in the UK please because I haven't come across any and honestly I am struggling to believe that it has happened and there haven't at least been links posted in this thread.

What if the government made it illegal to drink milk, leave the house after 9pm, or pronounce the letter "L"?

We can "what if" till the cows come home but there's no point worrying about scenarios that only exist in people's heads.

Why do you, and so many other posters on this thread, think a bank following their well-documented policies based on long established regulations and legal obligations will suddenly turn into Orwellian nightmare of frozen accounts for anyone and everyone?

The ironic thing here is that the Tories have been, and are still actively, forcing through changes that erode people's rights and make freedom of expression more difficult, yet are supported by many on here because "they know what a women is".

@Natty13 a couple of posts above yours contains two links

Yeah I can read. I asked for examples in the UK, one of those is Dutch (not UK) and one is Canada (again...)

I really don't understand why peiple keep telling me this is happening to women's rights groups in this country and yet cannot back that up with a single source of evidence.

@Natty13 There was also the Scottish woman whose name I can't remember - her fundraising website was taken down. Sorry I'm not the best with names but someone will remember. She's not the only one to have had this happen with gofundme and other fundraising sites.

Marion Millar @natty13

ovarit.com/o/GenderCritical/42441/crowdfunding-site-cancels-marion-millar-s-campaign-says-it-will-give-fees-from-i