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AIBU?

for not getting rid of dogs when niece is allergic?

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dogsdander · 12/09/2022 15:20

My husband and I don't have to work that many hours and when we do they're from home so it puts us in a good position to help our siblings and watch their kids. My husband has 1 sister with 2 children. I have a brother, with 2 children. A sister with 3 children. I also have a younger half brother with 1 child. My husband and I also have a son. So 9 kids all together between the ages 4-12. They’re usually not here all at the same time, but they all do come over often. Sort of a mix and match depending on various schedules. They all seem to have a fun time (in their words we have the “fun house”) and our son loves to socialize with his cousins.

Almost half a year ago we got two dogs. All the kids were very excited and have enjoyed playing with them. Unfortunately we found out that my one niece (Gemma) is allergic to dogs. She’s never been around a dog much before so neither she nor her parents knew about the allergy. It is not just a mild allergy either. She doesn’t just get sniffles she actually started wheezing and had trouble breathing.

We have tried to do things to minimize allergens in our home. However it is very difficult because of our home is fully carpeted. Regular vacuuming did nothing. We got an air purifier and steam cleaned our carpets before she came over one time and kept the dogs outside for the day and it worked, but of course after a day the dog dander had gotten everywhere and we were back to square one. We decided this wasn’t a viable option to do on a regular basis because of the cost and the increased amount of wear and tear. It also leaves the majority of our house unusable while we waited for the carpet to dry.

My brother and sil (Gemma’s parents) have taken her to the doctor to try different medications to help with her allergies. The problem is Gemma already takes medication for a different medical issue and it interferes with a lot of allergy medicines. They’ve tried some other things suggested by her doctor, but nothing really helps.

My brother has asked that we get rid of our dogs because Gemma had a fit the other day. She’s upset that she hasn’t been able to come over to the “fun house” and play with her cousins all these months while they still come over all the time. My brother thinks that we are causing her to feel left out by not getting rid of the dogs.

I understand how unfair it must feel for Gemma, but neither me or my husband or son want to get rid of our dogs. They’re part of the family now. We have become very attached to them. Especially our son. He would cry his eyes out if they had to be given up.

It’s not like we can stop watching the other kids to make Gemma feel less excluded either. Our siblings don’t have it as easy as us and they need the help sometimes.

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Midlifemusings · 14/09/2022 16:18

Aesop45 · 14/09/2022 13:20

The point wasn’t against vegans at all. Quite the opposite in fact.

The point is that everyone is a self proclaimed champion of dogs rights, they are sentinel beings, part of the family, defenceless animal etc….

Half have probably troughed a Big Mac this week and just pick and choose which animals deserve their unwavering protection when it suits them to do so.

Probably a different thread but I agree. I don't think many people are aware of how social and intelligent many animals are. Cows and pigs are both very intelligent, form close bonds, communicate , can learn many things etc. They are no different from dogs - other than cows are a bit too big to keep in the house! Pigs have started to become pets too.

Pets add the human bond on top of the animal bond so I get why people don't eat their pets but eating a cow or a dog or a pig or a horse that isn't your own is really no different. And in various parts of the world, the animals that are considered food or considered not food vary.

I get that from the human point of view, some people care more or equally about pets as people and their pets are family so they would never send them away - but from the animal perspective, not much different if it is a cow or dog or pig or cat being moved to somewhere else. For me, due to allergies and never having been able to be in close proximity or to form any bond to any animal - they are all the same. I don't really see any difference between a dog or cow or cat or pig. I would eat any of them in the right context and would give any of them away if given to me as I can't have pets. I have no hierarchy of animal worth!

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Solonge · 14/09/2022 16:25

Many of us champion all animals. I certainly dont champion entitled brothers expecting their sisters to get rid of their dogs to suit their own purposes for child care. The nice thing about animals...they are not arse holes.

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Solonge · 14/09/2022 16:27

Sentient beings....not sentinel....

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Midlifemusings · 14/09/2022 16:34

Solonge · 14/09/2022 16:25

Many of us champion all animals. I certainly dont champion entitled brothers expecting their sisters to get rid of their dogs to suit their own purposes for child care. The nice thing about animals...they are not arse holes.

Given this has been going on for months and both sides have tried to find solutions, I doubt it was so much that the brother feels entitled but he has a daughter being excluded due to her disability who is distressed about the exclusion and maybe in his own mental state he thought why not ask about the dogs - that is one avenue that hasn't yet been explored. It isn't reasonable but in the situation he may have felt he had hit a wall with options and could try that one.

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nocoolnamesleft · 14/09/2022 16:47

I do find it depressing how ableist mumsnet is.

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MichelleScarn · 14/09/2022 16:57

She's only being 'excluded' from one family members home, not other family occasions, homes, activities, events.
Not from external playdates meet ups.
I still think it's beyond arrogant of the dB to expect op to get rid of a family pet to enable free childcare in someone else's home.

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CatsandFish · 14/09/2022 16:58

nocoolnamesleft · 14/09/2022 16:47

I do find it depressing how ableist mumsnet is.

So now it's disablist to not take your dogs to the animal shelter to be destroyed? Seriously?

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bloodyplanes · 14/09/2022 17:03

nocoolnamesleft · 14/09/2022 16:47

I do find it depressing how ableist mumsnet is.

Are you for real? Anyone who thought it was ok to tell me to get rid of my dogs would get told to fuck right off!

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nocoolnamesleft · 14/09/2022 17:05

But it's fine to tell a child with a potentially life-threatening allergy to fuck off, she doesn't matter? I am personally happy to rate children higher than animals.

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aSofaNearYou · 14/09/2022 17:08

nocoolnamesleft · 14/09/2022 17:05

But it's fine to tell a child with a potentially life-threatening allergy to fuck off, she doesn't matter? I am personally happy to rate children higher than animals.

Nobody is saying that, they are suggesting it towards the adult parent who thinks it's appropriate to ask someone to get rid of their pet.

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MichelleScarn · 14/09/2022 17:10

Where has she been told to 'fuck off'. From what I've read the scenario is, Gemma can't come and be looked after at ops house for a few hours after school now they have dogs, unless op gets rid of them. That's not realistic to ask, so any meet ups with Gemma will be elsewhere.
Whys that a 'fuck off'?

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nocoolnamesleft · 14/09/2022 17:12

They are saying it about the child. They have deliberately created a fun house where all the cousins communally play and develop bonds. Because of her health condition Gemma is being excluded, which to her will definitely feel as fuck off you're not wanted, because of getting new dogs. Gemma was there first.

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Megifer · 14/09/2022 17:12

It is not disablist to not get rid of pets so someone can visit the house. It would be if the feeling was "niece has an allergy that may or may not be classed as a disability so I don't want to see her at all", but its not.

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saraclara · 14/09/2022 17:16

nocoolnamesleft · 14/09/2022 17:12

They are saying it about the child. They have deliberately created a fun house where all the cousins communally play and develop bonds. Because of her health condition Gemma is being excluded, which to her will definitely feel as fuck off you're not wanted, because of getting new dogs. Gemma was there first.

No-one knew that Gemma had the allergy until after OP got the dogs. So it's not a 'who was first' situation.

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aSofaNearYou · 14/09/2022 17:17

nocoolnamesleft · 14/09/2022 17:12

They are saying it about the child. They have deliberately created a fun house where all the cousins communally play and develop bonds. Because of her health condition Gemma is being excluded, which to her will definitely feel as fuck off you're not wanted, because of getting new dogs. Gemma was there first.

No, you are jumping to emotive conclusions.

The only person anyone has suggested actually saying "fuck off" to is the dad. You are equating not getting rid of the dogs, with telling her to fuck off. They are not the same thing.

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nocoolnamesleft · 14/09/2022 17:17

Would you say that if Gemma was in a wheelchair? Invisible disabilities still count. But let's ask the OP:

Since you discovered that your newly acquired dogs precluded Gemma from entering your house, due to her health problem, how many times have you arranged to see Gemma elsewhere?

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nocoolnamesleft · 14/09/2022 17:18

aSofaNearYou · 14/09/2022 17:17

No, you are jumping to emotive conclusions.

The only person anyone has suggested actually saying "fuck off" to is the dad. You are equating not getting rid of the dogs, with telling her to fuck off. They are not the same thing.

They clearly feel the same to Gemma, hence why she is so upset.

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aSofaNearYou · 14/09/2022 17:21

They clearly feel the same to Gemma, hence why she is so upset.

She is 8. There is a difference between an 8 year old feeling upset/left out, and an adult genuinely believing what is happening is the child being told to fuck off. As an adult, you should have the sense to see that is not the case.

An 8 year old might not understand fully but they need to have it explained to them that someone not getting rid of their dog for them does not mean they are being rejected by them.

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Abcdefu · 14/09/2022 17:21

I have a dog allergy,it's so inconvenient. Could you have a dog free room in your house?

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MichelleScarn · 14/09/2022 17:24

They have deliberately created a fun house where all the cousins communally play and develop bonds.


Absolute fiends! deliberately creating a fun house. How nefarious!

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nocoolnamesleft · 14/09/2022 17:28

No the nefarious part is to then exclude one child, because of her health condition. But carry on the same set up for the other children who do not have a disability.

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CatsandFish · 14/09/2022 17:29

nocoolnamesleft · 14/09/2022 17:05

But it's fine to tell a child with a potentially life-threatening allergy to fuck off, she doesn't matter? I am personally happy to rate children higher than animals.

She is only able to not go to the house with the dog. She is not being REHOMED, or sent to a pound or put down, like people are suggesting the defenceless dogs do!

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dogsdander · 14/09/2022 17:29

@Abcdefu the only rooms we could reasonably make dog free in our house is me and my husbands bedroom and the office. We don't only the children in either of those rooms.

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dogsdander · 14/09/2022 17:32

@nocoolnamesleft we have had some play dates elsewhere during the weekend since this has happened. I don't exactly keep count though.

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Creepymanonagoatfarm · 14/09/2022 17:32

The neice has a dpet free home. Her bloody own!

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