To be saddened by the behaviour of the public

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In regards to the Queen’s coffin in Edinburgh. As it makes its way through the city the public have their phones out so blatantly and some with smiles on their faces.

Similarly, people shoved their phones in Charles’ face when he greeted the crowd outside Buckingham Palace.

Haven’t we lost our way a bit? Do they really need a photo or video when they should just be kind, present and respectful?

But there will be recordings of it online forever more. It will be reshown on anniversaries of the Queen's death. You didn't need to record it yourself.

That's not so long! Five generations?

Well no. As far as I've seen there have been no recordings like the one I have from where we were in Dundee, which is our home.

Yes I think people are getting a couple of things confused.

There is the commemoration of the Queens death and the mourning of that

But there is the celebration of the fact there is a new monarch and the Buckingham Palace walkabouts are about that.

Ive heard the news readers mentioning a lot that the queen did so many public appearances for that very reason to celebrate and be seen

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But there will be recordings of it online forever more. It will be reshown on anniversaries of the Queen's death. You didn't need to record it yourself.

Are you able to explain the difference between the BBC recording it and putting it online and that poster recording it and keeping the footage to show her DC in the future?

Recording is recording. It's fine to view through the television recording device but not our own?

I think the issue is that it's obtrusive. People were meeting Charles etc. over the weekend after they'd just lost a family member; they were shaking their hands and offering condolences whilst shoving phones in their faces with the other hand. It just seems a bit disrespectful.

It's also really bloody annoying going to events and not being able to see through a sea of outstretched arms and screens. I also can't understand why you'd want to queue for 3+ hours for an event to watch the whole thing through a phone screen. You may as well have stayed at home.

I was asking that poster why they thought the poster who filmed the cortège in Dundee was wrong

My sister made a similar comment today.
FFS, it's going to be on every media outlet you can think of. YouTube forever. Why not just be in the moment? Must be an age thing.

We weren't. We were watching the Queen's funeral cortege from the side of a dual carriageway with no one behind us.

I didn't think she was wrong, just that it was pointless. If she wants to show it to her 3 year old in the future, she can show him a (probably better!) recording of it online.
However, the poster didn't seem to think the BBC were recording it in Dundee anyway, so, who knows?

That relies on having access to it, for free, from the angles of what you want to see. Some stuff Ive found already on youtube is utterly useless, I want to see the proclamation in London, I can only find clips of it, not the full thing, theres something on youtube which literally just shows the road outside the palace.

Ive noticed that things in the iplayer app, dont always last longer than a few months or it disappears for a time then reappears.

Went to lay flowers today and was amazed at people posing their children to lay the flowers perfectly for the photo and people grinning away for photos in front of flowers for a picture. If you want a photo plenty in the press but go and be in the moment at these places. Not just to do with Queens passing but all major events take it in through your eyes not a screen

I am the poster. I have not seen any decent footage where we were in Dundee.

I wanted my son to be there. I know he is too young to understand. I filmed unobtrusively to show him because we were there. Footage of Edinburgh would be pointless because weren't in Edinburgh.

These are the same types of people who would have been baying at the gallows a few hundred years ago.

I don’t think filming the funeral cortège is that bad - if you particularly want a record of it passing through your village etc. though I wouldn’t do it myself.
But shoving your phone in the face of or filling someone who’s recently bereaved is just next level disrespectful imo

*filming someone

It was like watching a weird cult ritual most people were stood, two hands thrust upwards holding their phones up like some sort of salute or blessing. Creepy.

Yeah. Nothing interesting or significant ever happens in Dundee. I wandered along to the Kingsway and I was really glad that I did. It was a nice, friendly atmosphere, people ushering kids to the front so that they could see. Respectful - I was a bit worried some idiots would come and shout stuff but I didn’t see any of that. Lots of elderly people and young children. It was a moment in history and I thought it was a nice touch to allow people to be part of it.

the photos/videos don’t bother me in the slightest.

I agree op. The social media generation have lost sight of what normal respectful behaviour is now. Real life, without a photo pouting in front of it or bragging about it, is irrelevant to them. Empathy or decorum is not even a consideration - just me, me, me.

That's such a shame. One of my strongest memories is walking down the aisle and seeing all my favourite people there beaming back at me.

I attended one of the proclamations today and got really annoyed with people filming it on their phones.
It restricted the views of so many people as holding their phone up took up so much space.

Yes, exactly. That’s how I felt. Bizarre.

I don't disagree with you (as a strident anti-monarchist I would simply avoid anything to do with her funeral, I wouldn't attend then be disrespectful).

The BRF have to walk a fine line between bread and circuses, and mourning. It's supposed to be a sad occasion, but the royals are obligated to turn all their most deeply personal moments (weddings, childbirth, kids' first day at school) into public events and allow the public to have a celebration. It's the deal they make in exchange for their extraordinary wealth and power.

How does anyone privately mourn and cope with grief and human feelings of loss when it's literally your job to turn your personal live into a horse and pony show for the public? When some people will be sad, and others treat it simply as another episode of the soap opera that is The Royals, or as a day out, or as a chance to be part of history? Royals are trained from birth how to hide and supress emotion because it's basically part of their job.

But it is hard to gauge how to balance those two things in public. Kate was criticised for grinning broadly on her walk down the Mall, I think that was deeply unfair as Kate was clearly "on" and has had to learn how to perform in front of global audiences without the from-birth training Charles and his sons have had. But it goes to show there's a delicate balance to strike.

I took a photo of her passing, my kids are young 6/8 and I want to put it inside her jubilee book they got as memories of the only Queen they will most likely know as when they adults I'm not sure they will remember much about her.

I think they should remember the jubilee and see her passing today - hopefully.

Having said that, Dan Wootton bringing someone to film him at Buckingham Palace and doing four takes putting flowers down before pretending to pray (and presumably snatching the flowers back after he'd lain them down, so he could re-use them for the next take) is truly abhorrent.

Sheer virtue signalling.