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To be saddened by the behaviour of the public

232 replies

diligesmore · 11/09/2022 16:36

In regards to the Queen’s coffin in Edinburgh. As it makes its way through the city the public have their phones out so blatantly and some with smiles on their faces.

Similarly, people shoved their phones in Charles’ face when he greeted the crowd outside Buckingham Palace.

Haven’t we lost our way a bit? Do they really need a photo or video when they should just be kind, present and respectful?

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Luredbyapomegranate · 11/09/2022 18:59

INXS21 · 11/09/2022 16:41

It’s a myth that the British are polite and respectful.

The British are as polite as respectful as any other nation.

I guess people are out there because it’s a moment in history, so to want to record it is natural.

The RF would rather people engaged than not.

Closedlips · 11/09/2022 19:05

Yes I was at a proclamation today and confused about the amount of people filming it on phones. It was televised.

Mfsf · 11/09/2022 19:08

You do realise not everyone cares about the queen right ? Some people will just be there as a coincidence and some because they like to take pics of unique situations . The queen came through our way today on its way to Edinburgh and not many really cared . She does not have the same following as in london . I agree with you that it’s disrespectful but I can see why it happens

MistressIggi · 11/09/2022 19:09

In the part of Edinburgh I watched from, there were phones out but far more people did not have them than did. I have relatives who would have been interested in a video but being older myself it did seem disrespectful to make one. I'm quite sure some people did it as they couldn't see over the heads!
But I will defend the clapping. Where I was it broke out spontaneously, slowly, and while the hearse and the cars behind it passed. I think that's a "you had to be there" thing.

bellac11 · 11/09/2022 19:10

Blossomtoes · 11/09/2022 18:42

But the reality is that humans do not change, we are not different. Our tools might be different but our behaviour is not.

But it is. I was born in Coronation year. When I was a child I was taught to stand still and bow my head if a hearse passed, everyone did it. Now I’m pretty much the only one. People behave in such shitty disrespectful ways now. It’s really ironic because everyone whinges about rudeness and disrespect while displaying both in spades.

Well I was specifically referring to the OP which references people wanting to nosey at proceedings and getting involved as 'entertainment', that bit is not new.

Personally I would just be silent if a coffin passes, it depends who is inside as to whether I 'respect' them. I wouldnt bow. I dont use phones, I dont even take pictures really, my holidays are mostly unrecorded by me as I just like to remember places and things in my head, people think Im a bit odd like that

I did find the clapping odd, I know it was gentle and quiet but I found it odd.

bellac11 · 11/09/2022 19:11

Closedlips · 11/09/2022 19:05

Yes I was at a proclamation today and confused about the amount of people filming it on phones. It was televised.

Im yet to find a full recording of it online, I can find programmes that have bits of it but not the full thing which is frustrating.

wishingitwasfriday · 11/09/2022 19:14

I was at a concert at the 02 a few weeks ago. The amount of people filming and watching it on their screen whilst doing so amazed me. They may as well have watched on tv. What happened to just being there, soaking up the atmosphere and taking it all in

LivesinLondon2000 · 11/09/2022 19:16

@BitossiBlues

It just gets worse. I’d like to ask them what exactly it was about the Holocaust that they thought was sexy and merited the model poses and pouting? 🙄

Hawkins001 · 11/09/2022 19:18

diligesmore · 11/09/2022 16:36

In regards to the Queen’s coffin in Edinburgh. As it makes its way through the city the public have their phones out so blatantly and some with smiles on their faces.

Similarly, people shoved their phones in Charles’ face when he greeted the crowd outside Buckingham Palace.

Haven’t we lost our way a bit? Do they really need a photo or video when they should just be kind, present and respectful?

In the past, that information would be gold so to speak, for historians.

SunflowerSmith · 11/09/2022 19:24

I wonder what they'll do with the footage? How often will they watch the video on their phone or look at the photos and why?
If they're interested in watching things like that then there's better quality footage online which will always be accessible.

When Diana's coffin went through the streets the applause was loud as hardly anyone was holding a camera yet with the Queen there was barely a ripple, just and arms held high to shoot a video.
Sad.

tothesea · 11/09/2022 19:31

When I see all those arms up filming I think of that episode of Black Mirror. It’s depressing.

happyinherts · 11/09/2022 19:39

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11201785/The-Queens-coffin-arrives-Edinburgh.html

What do you all think of the third photo down - the hearse passing by members of the public?

Costacoffeeisbetterthansex · 11/09/2022 19:43

SimonAndGarthsUncle · 11/09/2022 16:47

The fact we have a disgusting concept like the monarchy in place to begin with should sadden you more

Two words (without reading the rest of this). The second is off

queenofthewild · 11/09/2022 19:45

I've bern aghast at the people grabbing and hugging the royals on walkabouts. These are grieving people who have just lost their mother/grandmother.

Yet randomers, rather than paying their respects quietly and moving on have been grabbing them and photographing them.

mathanxiety · 11/09/2022 19:45

@Blossomtoes - I grew up in Ireland and was always taught to make the sign of the Cross if a hearse passed by.

I was on a thread here a few years ago where someone expressed indignation that people in a motorised funeral procession (hearse followed by cars) gave her deathstares and blew horns at her when she cut in. She was apparently in a hurry to get somewhere. Hmm

I posted about the American custom of all traffic yielding to a funeral cortege, processions going through red lights and past Stop signs. It was considered outrageous. The dead and the mourners of the United States were a bunch of entitled twats, etc.

I think the UK is a deeply fractured, dog eat dog society, and I agree with a PP that the reputation for politeness is false.

SproutsAtChristmas · 11/09/2022 19:46

All over my social media are pictures of people outside Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle. In the pictures they are all smiling together! It's appalling and shocking. You wouldn't visit the home of a relative that died and take pictures smiling outside. Why is it acceptable when it's the Queen that has died?

Some are even posting that they were "lucky enough" to see William, Kate etc. There is nothing lucky about the situation. A family have lost a dear relative and they have to go out and visit these crowds rather than grieve privately but you were lucky to see them?

Social media truly brings out the worst in people.

Simonjt · 11/09/2022 19:46

When our previous prime minister is on his phone during the privy council we can’t really be surprised by anyone else shoving a phone in someones face.

Closedlips · 11/09/2022 19:52

bellac11 · 11/09/2022 19:11

Im yet to find a full recording of it online, I can find programmes that have bits of it but not the full thing which is frustrating.

S4C, ITV and BBC showed almost all of the Welsh one between them. But even so, as someone who attended and experienced it I didn't understand the need to film the whole thing - under what circumstances do people sit and rewatch all of these videos? It just seems a bit unnecessary.

DorritLittle · 11/09/2022 19:57

The BBC selfie thing is most odd! WTF?

But people taking photos and videos- I don't like it either, being old school, but it's just normal life for people under a certain age now. And group psychology is a weird thing. At least we aren't cheering at public hangings anymore.

PotatoHammock · 11/09/2022 19:58

I don't think "modern society" is going to hell in a handcart. It's not so long ago that crowds would gather to watch/cheer public executions. Often the result of a literal witch hunt (not a few people being a bit mean on twitter)

I get that if you're there, at such a historical moment, then you'd want something to be able to show the grandkids in future years.

PotatoHammock · 11/09/2022 20:01

SproutsAtChristmas · 11/09/2022 19:46

All over my social media are pictures of people outside Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle. In the pictures they are all smiling together! It's appalling and shocking. You wouldn't visit the home of a relative that died and take pictures smiling outside. Why is it acceptable when it's the Queen that has died?

Some are even posting that they were "lucky enough" to see William, Kate etc. There is nothing lucky about the situation. A family have lost a dear relative and they have to go out and visit these crowds rather than grieve privately but you were lucky to see them?

Social media truly brings out the worst in people.

But the family do those "walkabouts" purely for the benefit of the public. They understand that people want to see them, and that they would therefore feel lucky to have seen them.

TheyreOnlyNoodlesMichael · 11/09/2022 20:05

AuntieMarys · 11/09/2022 18:07

Isn't it clap for the queen tomorrow night at 7?

Are you being serious 🤣🤣

Blossomtoes · 11/09/2022 20:05

It's not so long ago that crowds would gather to watch/cheer public executions

It’s 154 years since the last one.

sidewayswalking · 11/09/2022 20:05

Recording things isn't a new concept, it's just become more accessible. If people could stop acting as if using a phone is disrespectful that would be good. People have been using film & camera since they became available.

youboozeyoulose · 11/09/2022 20:07

I was saw the funeral cortege today with my partner and three year old. I filmed it as unobtrusively as I could so I could show my son in the future when he understands. It's a momentous historical occasion.