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Say please

133 replies

slippe · 10/09/2022 15:01

I have a two and a half year old..

Some of our relatives have taken to asking her to ' say please ' before they give her water / a cookie / whatever it is.

They then refuse to give her whatever item it is, until she says 'please'. Except, she doesn't really say please. They end up dangling the item and refusing to give it to her. Eventually they sometimes give in. Sometimes she screams and cries. She's quite defiant.

I personally don't withhold items from her until she ' says please '. I remind her that we say please and then I remind her we say thank you. She sometimes complies, sometimes she doesn't.

I think manners are important, but I'm not really enjoying how my relatives are doing it.

Am I too lax or are they a bit ridiculous ?

OP posts:
Cas112 · 10/09/2022 15:10

Sorry but I think you need to be teaching her manners are a must and you can't just pick and choose when to use them

slippe · 10/09/2022 15:11

Cas112 · 10/09/2022 15:10

Sorry but I think you need to be teaching her manners are a must and you can't just pick and choose when to use them

So you'd withhold water from a two and a half year old, unless they Said please ?

OP posts:
serafinarose · 10/09/2022 15:11

I wouldn't like it either. I think they're overstepping. I'd probably take whatever it is off them and give it to her, but remind her as you already do. They'll get the hint.

slippe · 10/09/2022 15:12

serafinarose · 10/09/2022 15:11

I wouldn't like it either. I think they're overstepping. I'd probably take whatever it is off them and give it to her, but remind her as you already do. They'll get the hint.

I do remind her every time and praise her when she says it. But she doesn't say it every time.

OP posts:
serafinarose · 10/09/2022 15:13

She will, she's only 2

BeanieTeen · 10/09/2022 15:13

Yeah that’s just shitty behaviour.
I’d remind them that there’s nothing well mannered about patronisingly dangling something in front of someone before they say ‘pleeeeeease’. Are they the type of people who passive aggressively mutter ‘your welcome’ when people forget to say thank you 😂 I think it’s really cringeworthy behaviour. And not something I’d want my DCs to be copying - I’d rather they’d forget their Ps and Qs quite frankly than behave like your family members. YANBU.

OKScarpetta · 10/09/2022 15:14

We’ve always had a rule that you either say it- please and thank you- or you sign it. It’s polite, most people will understand what the sign is without explanation needed, but if you have a child that’s too nervous to talk in a crowd/ in front of someone new etc, they can usually do a sign.

My youngest is 18months and she started saying and signing please about 6 weeks ago. I don’t mind which she does, or both if she’s very invested! I found it seemed to stop those awkward stand offs.

thistimelastweek · 10/09/2022 15:16

I'd rather a pleasant tone of voice than a reluctant whiny please.

They should back off and leave it to you.

NuffSaidSam · 10/09/2022 15:17

They're ridiculous.

Model the behaviour, remind her and she'll soon catch on.

A forced, bribed 'please' is of no value. Just like a forced, bribed 'sorry' is of no value.

girlmom21 · 10/09/2022 15:18

If she can say please she should say please.

Vapeyvapevape · 10/09/2022 15:18

if I gave my dd something I used to say 'ta' as I gave it to her, sometimes she'd repeat it other times she wouldn't. Same with please, if she asked for something.
Your dd is still little and the relatives are being a bit ott.

Twizbe · 10/09/2022 15:23

I remind my kids to say pleased and won't give them things they ask for until they do. When younger they could sign it if they couldn't say it properly.

I also model the behaviour by ensuring I always do it.

Manners are important and we should all be saying our please and thank yous.

They are not going to die of thirst having to wait a few more moments while they say please.

BeanieTeen · 10/09/2022 15:24

My youngest is 18months and she started saying and signing please about 6 weeks ago. I don’t mind which she does, or both if she’s very invested! I found it seemed to stop those awkward stand offs.

It’s such a British thing though. My mum is German I’m glad I didn’t grow up with this obsession with arbitrary please and thank yous - she thinks it’s all a bit laughable - it comes across as very forced, meaningless and insincere which isn’t appreciated in some other cultures and I think for good reason. Having a ‘stand off’ with a toddler over the word ‘please’ or ‘thank you’ which quite frankly they are not really old enough to comprehend the true meaning of, is a bit farcical.
As the OPs situation shows, there’s more to good manners than saying please and thank you. The relatives are being very ill mannered in their behaviour towards the OP and her DC. I find it incredibly ironic.

bloodywhitecat · 10/09/2022 15:24

I just model the language I would like my two and a half year old to use, he is getting better at using please and thank you now. Both of my adult kids are polite people so I am not worried that the little ones I have now won't get there too without being forced into it.

pigsDOfly · 10/09/2022 15:27

I can't stand this 'do as I say or you won't get this' sort of behaviour from adults to small children.

She 2 and a half for god's sake.

Every time you give her something and she take's it from you teach her to say please and thank you, which is what it sounds like you're doing. She'll soon pick it up.

There's no need for the nasty way your relatives are behaving. All she'll learn from that is frustration.

Pumperthepumper · 10/09/2022 15:28

That’s ridiculous. I’d do it back to them.

KettrickenSmiled · 10/09/2022 15:28

No, you are not lax.
You are wisely choosing to lead by example, give small but unpointed reminders, & to NOT set up a win/lose game. They only lead to battles.

Your relatives are doing it Old School - making D feel that saying "please" is a battle, not an option, & that if she complies she has somehow lost. OK - she won't be reasoning all that out yet, but she will be feeling it.
It's very human & normal to resist something somebody else is badgering us to do, when we don't perceive the point of it.

Your way is bound to lead to better results, it will just take time.
My GD is raised by my DD on a "don't sweat the small stuff" principle. So no food battles, just options put in front of her, & she tries a bit of everything & leaves what she does not want to eat. Because that allows the child feel in control at mealtimes, & helps mitigate against eg food refusal, fussiness, whining, feeling hard done by ...
Another good example of this was at xmas, when GD wanted to do something - can't remember what, not important - her mum said "sure, but we'll put away all the painting stuff first".
That obviously sounded a right bore to GD, so she ignored it & trotted off to another room to start activity X. I went to retrieve her, & my DD whispered "leave it!" - so I backed off. Lo & behold - GD came back in & started putting away her painting stuff, because being alone in the room with activity X was more boring that doing what the grown up asked for ... Wink

You are using psychology. Your relatives are using - in effect - brute force.
They are capable of physically withholding what your DD wants.
I appreciate that to them it feels like a battle that must be "won" & "it's for her own good" etc - but it really isn't.
Ignore the bad & reward the good. Simple stuff - although not always 100% easy to remember!

TL:DR you are setting up a win/win situation, where DD gradually starts to enjoy saying please & thank you because grown ups reward her for it with smiles & the things she wants. Kids start to really like the 'control' they eventually see as coming from them CHOOSING to say please. It gets them positive attention, AND the things they want!
Your relatives - a win/lose game - where DD loses face, & prefers to sacrifice her 'thing' to maintain her frustrated ego in the face of what seems like unreasonable behaviour from her perspective. No wonder she can only express herself by getting so upset she eventually tantrums, poor little love!

As to how you convey this to relatives ... phew, more info about them needed, & I'm sure wise PP will be along soon to make suggestions.

KettrickenSmiled · 10/09/2022 15:29

Cas112 · 10/09/2022 15:10

Sorry but I think you need to be teaching her manners are a must and you can't just pick and choose when to use them

Hello, win/lose gamer!

carefullycourageous · 10/09/2022 15:32

Agree with @KettrickenSmiled it is pointless making this a battle.

I'd just overrule your relatives.

Playingchesswithpigeons · 10/09/2022 15:35

girlmom21 · 10/09/2022 15:18

If she can say please she should say please.

This ^^

KettrickenSmiled · 10/09/2022 15:37

I try to make it a fun thing for the very little kids.
"Oh no! I think I've got it wrong! - Please will you help me by saying please, just so I know I've got it right?"
... quite often elicits a surprised "please" ... to which the response is an exaggerated, perfomative - "THANK YOU for saying please!!"

Kids tend to love the panto silliness of that, & it helps them feel in charge of themselves & make a game out of offering a nice 'please'.

Mxyzptlk · 10/09/2022 15:44

Isn't the time to prompt for a 'please' when the drink etc is asked for, not when it's about to be handed over?
Would the relatives behave like that towards an adult?
Tell them to knock it off.

bloodyplanes · 10/09/2022 15:46

I would be reminding a child to say please and thank you every single time they ask for something. If she can ask for a drink she can also say please! However I disagree with waving something around in front of a child and refusing to give it to them until they say please. I still will not tolerate no please and thank you from my dc and they are all adults! Its just basic manners.

Mariposista · 10/09/2022 15:46

At least somebody is trying to teach her manners. Snatching and leaving is so rude.

StopStartStop · 10/09/2022 15:48

I'm with you, OP. She'll 'say please' when she wants to. The 'Say Please' brigade are just into having power over your baby. Fuck that.