To ask why people vote Tory?

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It has to be said that life in the UK on low or middle income is much harder than it seemingly is in other western countries of similar wealth. I dont think the Tory party is making this country a nice place to live in at all. But they keep getting voted in.

So if you vote Tory:
Why do you vote for them?
Would you ever change your vote and for what reason?
Do you feel uncomfortable at how Tory policies batter the most vulnerable in our society? For example making it impossible for people to get on the housing ladder, high rents and low tenant protections, no energy bill caps, etc?

NB: I dont want this to turn into a Tory bashing thread. I'd just like to hear how Tory supporters feel about their party.

@FarFromHome2

www.scientificamerican.com/article/how-wealth-reduces-compassion/

It’s amazing how quiet everyone went on that case wasn’t it?

All manner of left-wing agitators implied or outright claimed that she must have been shot by white racists, yet when not only did it become evident that it had probably been a black gang, but that not one of the black partygoers would help the police then it became silence.

No criticism whatsoever of those who pulled the trigger, or of everyone else at the party who protected them. No apologies for trying to stir up racial hatred, just silence.

That’s quite some shifting of the goalposts there. That article is not about the lack of empathy and understanding that the wealthy have for the poor, which was your claim.

I’ll ask you again, did you make the same complaints about multi-millionaire career politician Jeremy Corbyn, and if not, why not.

Indeed. I don't think the thread voting was meant to turn out like it has. No wonder the OP hasn't been back!

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There’s nothing to say that millionaires can’t have compassion for the less fortunate though is there?

The ones in the list supplied by Culldesack may shout about their compassion but they all expect others far less wealthy than them to give money to whatever cause they are promoting and they all happily use every tax dodge they can to not pay their full share of tax. Empty words.

JKR was mentioned however JKR pays all her taxes in full and supports her own charity as well as contributing to others.

@FarFromHome2 Which basically amounts to the same thing, lack of compassion or care for the lower socioeconomic backgrounds, and people in power coming from privilege. I don’t think it’s me moving the goal posts here.

And like I keep saying, being a millionaire doesn’t mean you lack compassion, just less able to be compassionate towards those less fortunate than you.

that should say less likely, not able * *

Is it because Rupert Murdoch tells them to?

No, your claim was about their empathy and understanding for people of a different economic background. You did not claim that they lacked empathy for everyone. It’s a different claim.

And given that you still haven’t given any evidence that Conservative MPs are significantly wealthier than Labour ones, it doesn’t even back up the claim that they are less empathetic over all.

You really don’t want to answer the question about Corbyn do you. Did you make the same complaint about him, about rich, privileged, privately educated Jeremy Corbyn?

If you not do you not understand how this shows that it is not the wealth at all that you care about, that you are just casting around for an explanation to justify your prejudice?

@FarFromHome2

Why do you keep mentioning JC 🤣 that’s the point of me saying that millionaires CAN care, just less likely to. That’s the whole point of it.

The research suggests more privilege makes you less compassionate, which is exactly what the Tories have been doing for the last 12 years, taking away resources piece by piece.

Particularly relatable to the bit which said people with the most wealth took the most candy from the jar.

I hoped that people would have learnt what 2 Tier citizenship means, from history. I and my family learnt from experience and know it is shit.

It's sad and alarming that intelligent Conservative voters minimise and are OK with it.

So if it’s only “can” then why did you use the (invented) wealth of the conservatives to claim that they do?

To be honest, if you look at the descriptions of Conservatives and Conservative voters from posters on here it looks far more like it’s the left who lack empathy.

Do you ever see the sort of language that the left uses (“vermin” or “scum”) being used by prominent Conservative MPs?

Why oh why do people have wear the 'I'm struggling' badge with pride?
I wish people would research why food banks have grown in number too.

The Conservatives are behind their growth in France, Germany and the Netherlands too, you know. I’m not sure how, but clearly they must be.

@FarFromHome2 because I was trying to demonstrate that most of the cabinet are highly privileged Eton and Oxford educated posh people who have no idea how the other half live and struggle, so are less likely to give a shit, and there’s far more privilege within the Tories than Labour.

I didn’t purposely try to make up anything, I tried to get a point across

It’s quite simple really.

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Yet these toffs, privileged people can manage to organize and manage a group of people totaling over 60 million into a nation-state.
Yet the people complaining the most cannot even manage a shopping list.
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I'm a bit ignorant politically but I have always wondered - if so many people dislike both Conservative and Labour, why do the Lib Dems not get more votes? Why don't we give them a chance?

@FarFromHome2 I didn’t say the conservatives were at fault for other countries food banks, what is happening in other countries does not make what is happening in this country right.

The thing is, I do completely understand why some people agree with some of the Tory policies, I honestly do.

It mostly just riles me up when people trot out things like ‘’get a better job’’ or ‘’don’t have kids you can’t afford’’ when there are so many variables as to why some people may be in their current situation and most people are hard working and not lazy, contrary to popular belief.

Everybody is entitled to their beliefs and values but life isn’t as simple as some people think and to double down on it with is pathetic when people are going to suffer because of what the tories have done to this country.

Absolutely nothing good has come out of their tenure apart from people who are already rich benefitting. I’m sick of it.

We could be here all day debating, but I can completely understand why the left are hostile towards the right because they generally suffer more as a result of Tory policies. I’m not saying it’s right, but I get it.

Anyway, goodnight 🙂

@Kashmirsilver now who’s being insulting?

Again, you are making things up. Most of the cabinet were not educated at Eton.

Why do you keep doing this? Why lie like this if you have a valid point?

My DH is Oxford educated by the way. A fair few of our friends are too. DH went to a state comprehensive school, his father worked for the council, and his mother cleaned offices. While it was a privilege for him to attend, it really doesn’t make sense to refer to a poor kid from a poor family as being privileged. If he is, then the word ceases to mean anything.

Again, this hatred from the ,eft for anyone who is well-educated or successful is just weird. It’s another reason that good people are turned off by them. Why sneer at people based on them having been well-educated?

We could be here all day debating, but I can completely understand why the left are hostile towards the right because they generally suffer more as a result of Tory policies. I’m not saying it’s right, but I get it.

I would say that most of the people hurling abuse, insults and being hostile from the Left are at least as well off and more often than not more so than the average Tory voter. If these people on the Left truly cared about the disparity they wouldn't be so eager to avoid paying all the taxes that are due from them and they could also magnanimously pay more if they were so inclined. However, they want everyone else to pay and leave them and their lifestyle alone.

Think about what I'm saying.
I don't think you nor people like you understand the concept of a nation-state nor do you understand the importance of governance by those with a conservative mindset.
The alternative is chaos and then state control.

Have you missed the words used by Tory PM Johnson to describe black people, Muslims, women, homosexuals and others @FarFromHome2?

I saw what he used when mocking what he saw as the neo-colonial antics of New Labour, yes, and in his article laying out his belief that Muslim women should be free to wear the burqa without fear of abuse if they chose to do so.

I can’t say that that comes close to Bevin calling the Conservatives “lower than vermin” or Angela “left school with more babies than GCSEs” Rayner referring to them as “scum.”

And can you find anything coming from a cabinet member to match the racism of Dianne Abbott, or the antisemitism that the EHRC uncovered in Labour?

Can you imagine the uproar you lot would have caused had Johnson spoken out in support of an antisemitic mural like Corbyn did?