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my boyfriend likes Andrew Tate....emotional support please?

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PinkStarAtNight · 06/09/2022 22:12

so I only really came to know of Andrew Tate a few weeks ago when he got banned from the internet and it was on LBC. The way they described comments that he said reminded me of a guy I had overheard my boyfriend laughing at when he was watching TikTok. I had raised an eyebrow at what I heard and my boyfriend had laughed and said 'he's saying everything tongue in cheek, but to be honest a lot of what he says is true.'

I didn't think too much of it until I heard the show on LBC saying he had been banned for his misogynistic comments and harmful influences on young people and they quoted some of what he said...I went to my boyfriend and asked him if this was the guy he sometimes watches clips of. He said yes, it was. We then had a conversation about him being banned and boyfriend said he didn't think he should have been banned, because its cancel culture and all Andrew Tate did was express his opinions. I said that he was spouting misogynistic comments and it was awful/could have a negative impact on young men/as a society we can't allow those sorts of comments etc so of course he should have been banned.

In the last couple of weeks we have had numerous conversations about it, where we have both been tried to be calm and listen to each other's opinions. His argument is that Andrew Tate is standing up for men everywhere who feel oppressed by society and feel that their mental health issues are not recognised or taken seriously. He quoted how men are more likely to commit suicide and don't feel able to talk about their feelings, and women just want to try and 'fix' them by using methods that help women, like talking...but men don't like talking, it doesn't work for them, the thing that works for them is to 'go into' their masculinity.

Recently boyfriend has started saying things like 'women take advange of men', 'women are like annoying children', 'women want to work less than men' etc etc etc...he never said these things before watching Andrew Tate. He's says that Andrew Tate has 'set men free' and made it so they can finally speak their minds. And the fact that he got cancelled as soon as he did that, shows that society isn't ready to listen to men's problems and we (the women, because apparently women have taken control of society) just want to "shut them down". He gets very angry and emotive about this.

After me trying to talk to him more about the problem with some of the things Andrew Tate says, Boyfriend said that when it came to the misogynistic comments the media have misquoted him. So - tonight I sat down and watched some of his interviews on YouTube. I could barely stand to sit through them. The stuff that comes out of his mouth is vile. I started to send boyfriend messages quoting what Andrew Tate was saying in the interview I was watching...

for example:
"a father who is around for his child is like a second mother...a mother is there to keep a child alive, a father is there to make an impact"

"if you're there all the time you're gonna lose to an degree you're mystery....

"the biggest mistake fathers make is that they let the woman convince them that to be a good father they have to be there all the time....a man used to be at war or down in the coal mines...now he's at home changing nappies like a punk"

"For a female to retain her attractiveness to a man she has to retain a air of mystery..."

"If we accept biology no man is completely a one woman man...the male evolutionary imperative is not to have just one female....now there are dudes out there who will disagree with me but those are dudes that have got low testosterone and they ain't got no money and they ain't nothing...'

'Women are essentially like children"

"Chicks don't pay for anything"

I sent these quotes to my boyfriend, and pointed out to him to that in fact his idol had just insulted him, because my boyfriend firmly believes in being faithful in a relationship and never cheating...and yet Andrew Tate says that my boyfriend thinks that way because he 'has low testosterone and is nothing'.

Boyfriend has now blocked me, after sending the above messages to him.

I feel so upset and confused. I wish I could talk to my girlfriends but tbh they already don't like him very much and if I'm overreacting I don't want to get them all riled up and make it a thing for them to bring up when we get together, but I need a bit of a hand hold so I'm coming here.

Be gentle please. I don't know if IABU or what to do, I just feel upset/angry/confused. Maybe I should be trying to understand his point of view more but I just can't get my head around it.

OP posts:
GreenManalishi · 07/09/2022 10:48

I've stopped talking to my friends about him now because I have to sit through them trying to convince me to leave him

This is a really bad sign. Andrew f@cking Tate aside, when this happens you need to listen to your friends that know and love you and have your best interests at heart. What motive would they have for convincing you to leave him other than they can see that he's a bad move for you.

Now is the time to LISTEN to what is being said by him, and also by your friends. It needs to be over with him, your mum is chatting nonsense, raise your standards for yourself, even if she can't. The content of the bullshit he is spewing will make you doubt yourself more and more over time as it's designed to denigrate women.

Yes he might have been a nice person once, but he's now a stupid person and has more or less joined a cult. You're not misrepresenting who he is now. Leave him.

NyanBinaryJohn · 07/09/2022 10:51

Any man who thinks Andrew Tate has a point is part of the reason why women are still blamed for rape, treated as meat, judged solely on looks, etc.

He instills this idea in young men's brains that somehow they have a right to us. This breeds abusers. He is any incel's dream man.

Dump the misogynistic little prick.

Arenanewbie · 07/09/2022 11:50

And please please don’t even think that it’s your job to change him, to explain him how wrong he is etc it’s always useless task and he was like this inside already, it was just less noticeable.

Carlycat · 07/09/2022 14:20

Why are you defending this misogynist loser? He's fallen down the incel rabbit hole. Get some self respect

AryaStarkWolf · 07/09/2022 14:43

Run away from this guy

PinkStarAtNight · 07/09/2022 16:22

I sent him a message today asking him to read this thread. He read a bit of it, sent me some very calm messages outlining how I have misrepresented what his views are and how he's not a misogynist and has said he wants to break up

OP posts:
GreenManalishi · 07/09/2022 16:33

PinkStarAtNight · 07/09/2022 16:22

I sent him a message today asking him to read this thread. He read a bit of it, sent me some very calm messages outlining how I have misrepresented what his views are and how he's not a misogynist and has said he wants to break up

Excellent, he has done you a big favour (although I question the wisdom of sending someone the link to the Mumsnet post where you complain about them and they get ripped to shit, but a good result is a good result.)

Now take that and RUN. Do not go back.

SophieIsHereToday · 07/09/2022 16:42

Great news. Well done you!!!

What a vile man. I don't think it matters if you got some of the details incorrect, there is no excuse for the high level points

SanaT · 07/09/2022 16:53

He will be single at 60. Not your problem though.

saraclara · 07/09/2022 16:53

Sadly this thread will just have convinced him that women are awful and brought him even closer to the incel movement.

SquareVertical · 07/09/2022 16:57

Of course he would say he was misrepresented. He is hardly going to agree that what you are saying is true to a bunch of (mostly) female MNers, is he. Sorry about this OP, however I think you are better off without him.

NovaDeltas · 07/09/2022 16:57

Now don't take him back.

There are perfectly lovely men out there OP. You don't need to scrape the barrel with tossers like this. Any woman would have dumped him at the first sign. Now you know the red flags to look for.

beastlyslumber · 07/09/2022 16:58

Never share the thread with the person the thread is about!

This should be posted at the top of every thread. It's always a bad idea.

I don't know anything about Andrew Tate. Maybe you have misrepresented him/your boyfriend's views, OP, but in any case it sounds like you are completely incompatible and your discussions obviously cause you a lot of upset. Sounds like the relationship has run its course.

10HailMarys · 07/09/2022 16:59

PinkStarAtNight · 07/09/2022 16:22

I sent him a message today asking him to read this thread. He read a bit of it, sent me some very calm messages outlining how I have misrepresented what his views are and how he's not a misogynist and has said he wants to break up

I promise you that you have had a lucky escape, OP.

Theundertaker · 07/09/2022 17:00

Lucky escape, OP. Not just for the Andrew Tate misogyny crap, but for the fact that a boyfriend of four years is childish enough to block you because you present him with evidence that he's wrong.

Mumoblue · 07/09/2022 17:02

Consider it a bullet dodged.

“I’m not a misogynist BUT I listen to misogynistic rhetoric and think it’s funny and right” doesn’t fly.

Daleksatemyshed · 07/09/2022 17:14

I'm sorry @PinkStarAtNight , but this is for the best. Once someone starts to take on extreme views like his then there's no going back. He says you've misrepresented him but there's so many red flags here, so many. The fact alone that your friends all seem to dislike him tells you an awful lot.

It may be that you need to be on your own for a bit and work on your boundaries, there's a lot of excuses for him in your posts and I worry that you're not really seeing him for who he is, you're seeing the man he appeared to be. There would be no happiness for you in the future with him. Take this as a backhanded gift from the Gods and go and live your life

dazzlingdeborahrose · 07/09/2022 17:18

When somebody shows you who there are, believe them. It may not feel like it now but this is the best outcome for you. You're entitled to grieve for a bit though. Call your friends, grab some wine and have a good old cry and whinge.

AryaStarkWolf · 07/09/2022 17:24

beastlyslumber · 07/09/2022 16:58

Never share the thread with the person the thread is about!

This should be posted at the top of every thread. It's always a bad idea.

I don't know anything about Andrew Tate. Maybe you have misrepresented him/your boyfriend's views, OP, but in any case it sounds like you are completely incompatible and your discussions obviously cause you a lot of upset. Sounds like the relationship has run its course.

I don't know the OPs b/f but she hasn't misrepresented that misogynistic scumbag Andrew Tate, that's for sure

PinkStarAtNight · 07/09/2022 17:28

He sent this message:

"Ok I'm gonna say what I think about your post and then I'm not gonna continue to reply bcos we'll argue and I don't want my day ruined.

I don't really think you've gotten across what I said very well, you're either lying (which I don't believe) or have just forgotten what I said. I never said 'women take advantage of men', 'Tate has set men free', 'Tate has given me a voice'.

I also don't think you understand what most men are thinking about AT. If you just watch what he says you're going to think that this is what all men now think. It's kinda like if you support JK Rowling people might say you're transphobic. Or if you think Trump was better president than Biden (I do) then you're also racist.

But I've watched podcasts where's there's men talking about AT and I've been on a night out and talked about AT and all men are saying the same thing. That he's pretty funny, says interesting things about mens' health and is a bit misogynistic. We all pretty much agree he's misogynistic, it's obvious, but he's doing it to be funny most of the time, and even if he's not we seem to be able to just laugh at those bits and not take them seriously.

As for him being banned, I don't believe that anyone should be banned EVER. I don't agree with it. Even a Liberal news show in America said they didn't agree with him being banned bcos it's condescending, we can work out for ourselves if someone is dangerous or if we hate them we can stop watching, we don't need censorship.

As for the 'get used to it' comment, I meant get used to hearing about Jordan Perterson or Andrew Tate or anyone else that comes along bcos the issue probs isn't going away and by censoring people you're just making men more pissed off.

As for the 'wait for him to grow up thing' this seems to be a common theme amongst women where if men profess and opinion that they don't agree with its immature and they're unintelligent. I know you think it's a sexist comment but once again... if I went on the radio and called women who were talking about feminism immature, stupid and said they just need to grow up a bit I'd be cut off and banned and it's not fair.

Jordan Peterson wouldn't have become famous, Joe Rogan wouldn't be no1 podcast in the world and Andrew Tate wouldn't be most talked about and googled guy in the world if all the men that listen to them are just immature, unintelligent and misogynistic. Comments like that are incredibly condescending and are the very reason we listen to these people in the first place.

Also if you were wanting to learn more about all this sort of stuff, there's a female podcaster on youtube who does podcasts with groups of men and women and basically says the same stuff as JP and AT but just without the misogynistic comments (that are mainly meant for humour imo)"

OP posts:
Octomore · 07/09/2022 17:35

even if he's not we seem to be able to just laugh at those bits and not take them seriously

Yeah, hate speech is totally hilarious when you're not the victim.

FictionalCharacter · 07/09/2022 17:39

“I wish I could talk to my girlfriends but tbh they already don't like him very much”
They’ve got a point, haven’t they?
He’s blocked you? Does he want to continue the relationship? Do you, knowing how he feels?
When men like this say “women have all the power now” they mean that women occasionally stand up to them.
2-3 women are still murdered by men every week in this country. Murder of a man by a woman is still rare. How powerful are we exactly?

PinkStarAtNight · 07/09/2022 17:40

He then said that the allegation against AT is completely false, the girl involved has denied it, and he moved to Romania for tax reasons.

I asked him to read the full thread with all of the comments and ways people were describing how this radicalisation thing works, and then we could have a real discussion and he said the following:

"I think it's a bit pointless, we're not going to agree. It's kinda like men not first agreeing with feminism and women being a bit extreme and talking about their issues. Only difference is women didn't get cancelled bcos men were too scared to speak up, women don't have that problem. If you've got something controversial to say there'll be an entire thread ready to back you up. If I started a thread they'd probs ban my account"

And then this:

"But mumsnet is probably right, we're not right for eachother and should probably go our separate ways.

You didn't like JP at the beginning, you don't like Joe Rogan. You liken me to a terrorist and a misogynist and say I hate women. Call me a tory, a snob, hate my family, your friends hate me, your family aren't keen.
I want a supportive relationship. Not a battleground"

(We do argue a lot about the above things he's mentioned. Everyone calls him a 'tory' as a joke, he doesn't like it. And I don't hate his family, it just hasn't always been smooth running with them and I just disagree with a lot of their views/the way they do things and feel uncomfortable in his house a lot of the time. I've been trying to work on it.)

I feel confused about whether I was overreacting and not realising that he can have an opinion without being a misogynist, or whether he's lost his mind. I feel so sad about the way its all worked out. In lots of ways he's a genuinely lovely person and has supported me a lot with anxiety and I feel happier when he's around (when we're not arguing'). I just wish he could say 'omg I had no idea AT was saying stuff like THAT, he's awful, I had no idea, of course he should be banned...' but he just keeps defending him.

OP posts:
FictionalCharacter · 07/09/2022 17:44

“not realising that he can have an opinion without being a misogynist”
No, you can’t have misogynistic opinions without being a misogynist.
Sorry it’s turned out this way but OTOH you’ve had a lucky escape. Imagine having children with someone like this.

TwowaystoUrmston · 07/09/2022 17:59

OP relationships aren't supposed to be this hard, whether he's a misogynist or not frequent rows and difficult in-laws would be enough for most people to call it a day. I think the best thing you can do now is accept that your differences are too fundamental and concentrate on taking care of yourself while you heal from the break up. FWIW I doubt there are many women who wouldn't be repulsed by any man who finds AT funny or sees value in his views so your feelings are completely proportionate and understandable, whatever your ex thinks.