Male period dignity officer sacked so whole idea scrapped...

[Chevyimpala67]

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-62807683

Why?
Why not just give the job to - oh I don't know - a woman???

Why scrap it totally?

If a man can't have the job no one can?

Ffs.

Aaaaand you illustrate my point perfectly. Thank you!

You're illustrating your own points. With a chunky grip crayon, all over the table.

There is a whole network of people who go around these jobs, spending a few years in each.

This is the standard practice in the big charities in England. It effectively keeps it to a very limited social circle of very specific ideas.

What, that roles created to help women shouldn't be scrapped as soon as women start talking about how it could be done better?

Well then. This took a turn.

The job is being removed pronto so no more arkward questions about how Jason got a job THREE times from the same woman. Its a non job there is no reason to have Dignity Period Officers of any bloody sex.

Oh intelligent Mumsnetters is there any org which overseas the further education sector in Scotland which could launch an enquiry into what fuckery went on in the FE college that was involved?

It should be the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman following Stage 1 and Stage 2 complaints completed with the public body in question.

But good luck with that one because of Covid, there is a minimum of a year's backlog before they can even start looking at a case, and they are a fairly toothless version compared to the English one (which isn't brilliant but will at least respond in an intelligent and non-robotic manner). Good luck with getting anything other than a version of "computer says no" from the Scottish one. This is what the Ombudsman had to say to the Scottish Parliament about the backlog:

"At the same time—this is not linked to lockdown, as we were doing it anyway—we have started to take a resolutions approach much more. If we get a complaint and can see a way of resolving the issue without investigating it, we treat it slightly differently now. For example, housing complaints about repairs lend themselves to someone simply picking up the phone and saying, “What would solve this for you?” Going to the public body would solve the issue. We increasingly take that approach, and we have issued guidance to public bodies about trying to take that approach."

A bit concerning that theres no robust and consistent procedure for dealing with complaints, and the dealing of your complaint depends on someone being able to pick up the phone in another organisation and have a fruitful chat with them. In other words, its all "who knows who and can have a little word in their ear", rather than open and transparent governance.

collegesscotland.ac.uk/ yes this is basically a trade body ie will do fuck all

These allegations @Discovereads

There was a lot of abusive tweets and comments, many of which the platforms have since deleted. ... The abuse and threats also extended to other colleagues and even students.

I'm asking because you will be unsurprised to hear that I follow a lot of 'gender critical' accounts on Twitter and my feed gets hit with a lot more.

I say lots of women asking questions about our menstrual cycles with the hashtag #askjason but while they were taking the piss, they weren't abusive.

Unfortunately it seems a lot of people nowadays interpret criticism as abuse when it isn't.

Also would like to see evidence of how they're pursuing these and the abuse and threats towards students and colleagues.

It's just that in Scotland, a woman was prosecuted for a hate crime for posting a photo of a ribbon.

So I can imagine the law will come down on a ton of bricks on people actually posting threats and abuse. And yet, we've not heard anything.

Oh, had no idea what you meant by “allegations”. That’s straight from the BBC article:

“A spokesperson for the working group said: "It is regrettable that given the threats and abuse levelled at individuals in recent weeks, the period dignity regional lead officer role will not continue.
"Support will continue to be provided to the colleagues and students who have been subjected to personal attack. Their safety and wellbeing is of paramount importance."
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-62807683

And as I said, I saw quite a few on various platforms before they were deleted.

Personal attack ≠ threats and abuse

HTH.

What threats did you see?

Will he have a good pay off?

Yes, that is what I meant. I was commenting on the entirety of the comment.

Is he a trained lawyer now is he?

What do you mean by that, personal attack =/= threats and abuse? it’s pretty clear they’re using it interchangeably as why would they talk about the safety of colleagues and students being paramount if the personal attacks didn’t include abuse and threats? Who are the individuals plural who received abuse and threats, if not the students and colleagues whose safety they are making paramount and supporting? It’s obvious the personal attacks included both abuse and threats, and were against colleagues and students.

I saw several threats. As I said, they’re long since deleted and I didn’t bother to screen shot them for posterity. I’m sure any credible threats have been passed on to the police. A particularly memorably nasty one involved a severe beating, followed by stuffing a tampon up his literally bleeding anus.

What threats did you see? I mean surely you must be able to remember.

All we know is a spokesperson said something. That doesn't make it true.

On balance I think the Working Group which is in regular contact with everyone involved would know better than you whether abuse and threats were received or not? And I think they have no motivation to lie the BBC?

I mean you’ve admitted to only watching one hashtag on one platform. You don’t have access to everyone involveds accounts. You weren’t monitoring all platforms the whole time this was going on. You have no possible way to know there were no threats at all.

It really reads like you are ignoring evidence because it doesn’t fit your narrative/bias.

So nobody can actually provide an example of these alleged threats then?
Colour me shocked.

Ah, so the role isn't really a full time job and could just be rolled into the responsibilities of another member of clerical staff?

Why on earth did Tayside decide that it justified a £35k salary then?

Try reading my post from 23:51 today. There is an example.

For a threat example, please read my post from 23:51