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Male period dignity officer sacked so whole idea scrapped...

251 replies

Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:16

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-tayside-central-62807683

Why?
Why not just give the job to - oh I don't know - a woman???

Why scrap it totally?

If a man can't have the job no one can?

Ffs.

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Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:35

Imagine - for a moment - that this was a woman appointed to a prostate/testicular cancer dignity role*

*as an example of a health issue that only affects men (adult human males).

Imagine her mate got her the job behind closed doors?

Imagine that some men (adult human males) complained that as a woman (an adult human female) she could not possibly understand nor experience either of the above ^ and it was ridiculous bordering on offensive to appoint her?

Now Imagine that the wiman was sacked/not appointed and the whole project was cancelled and no man was deemed competent enough to take on that role?

Yeah.

I know.

This would never, ever happen

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nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:35

@KettrickenSmiled

The OPs assumptions and those of anyone on here thinking someone needs to be an expert in periods is wrong.

It's not just my opinion either

Many people latch onto the title and have 0 understanding of the job itself, as proven by many comments so far

Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:36

BringMeTea · 06/09/2022 14:29

Sick of this shit now. Blaming women for the role's demise is fucking outrageous.

Yes.
It really is.

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nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:37

@SingularityCat

If you care to educate yourself the job description and remit is open for all to see with a quick google

Many people have tried on similar posts

Alas, some on here refuse to understand this is a compliance role.

Notjusta · 06/09/2022 14:37

YANBU. Ridiculous.

Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:37

nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:35

@KettrickenSmiled

The OPs assumptions and those of anyone on here thinking someone needs to be an expert in periods is wrong.

It's not just my opinion either

Many people latch onto the title and have 0 understanding of the job itself, as proven by many comments so far

I run two community based groups, including one that addresses period poverty.

What don't I understand about this role?

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NightmareSlashDelightful · 06/09/2022 14:39

Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:35

Imagine - for a moment - that this was a woman appointed to a prostate/testicular cancer dignity role*

*as an example of a health issue that only affects men (adult human males).

Imagine her mate got her the job behind closed doors?

Imagine that some men (adult human males) complained that as a woman (an adult human female) she could not possibly understand nor experience either of the above ^ and it was ridiculous bordering on offensive to appoint her?

Now Imagine that the wiman was sacked/not appointed and the whole project was cancelled and no man was deemed competent enough to take on that role?

Yeah.

I know.

This would never, ever happen

Hm. OK, I get your argument here and you're probably right at one level.

But comparing periods to cancer? Nuh-uh.

nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:40

@Chevyimpala67

You clearly don't understand the role if you're upset about a man holding said position

You don't need to have a period to ask a school whether they're offering free sanitary products and making the relevant reports if they aren't!

Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:40

NightmareSlashDelightful · 06/09/2022 14:39

Hm. OK, I get your argument here and you're probably right at one level.

But comparing periods to cancer? Nuh-uh.

As I said, it's simply a health issue that only affects men

Perhaps I should have used erectile dysfunction?

I take your point

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Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:41

nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:40

@Chevyimpala67

You clearly don't understand the role if you're upset about a man holding said position

You don't need to have a period to ask a school whether they're offering free sanitary products and making the relevant reports if they aren't!

I agree.

I'm sure they could have found a woman who could mange that taxing job

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nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:42

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Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:42

I'm assuming this role would require an enhanced dbs?

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Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:43

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Why was his friend the one that appointed him?

Seems he's got a few jobs that way.....

The whole thing stinks

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SolasAnla · 06/09/2022 14:44

NightmareSlashDelightful · 06/09/2022 14:26

I agree that this job should have gone to a woman in the first place (although I don't think there's anything wrong with the guy's credentials or qualifications in isolation, and I do believe that he's a decent person).

They're dressing it up to be about harassment but I would guess that the real issue will be that employment laws around sex discrimination would prevent the exact same job being immediately given to someone else purely on the basis of sex. It could leave the employer open to sex discrimination claims.

It seems that the tasks that the person in this role would have carried out will still be carried out, just under a range of administrative functions instead of from one PRable source.

It wouldn't surprise me if there was another period dignity officer appointed in time, but the role won't be called that, and the job description will be a bit different to avoid the potential for discriminatory action.

Nope the law provides for some jobs to be sex specific if they are being sensitive to the needs of the recipient at point of delivery.

Its easy to justify that the PR / Public facing role element includes serving culturally diverse needs and requires female figurehead.
If it was just a purchasing/stores management role nobody would/could object.

Instead they decided to appoint a male be a "change advocate" / project champion for something which he would always only have a theoretically understanding of.

Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:45

Sarahconnor1 · 06/09/2022 14:29

Think it's was more If this particular man can't have the job no one can.

The recruiting manager seems to have been involved with this person's appointment into a number of different roles over the last few years

There was a thread on FWR about it

Ah, apologies I hadn't seen another thread about it.

Yeah..
All a bit odd. Optics very poor.

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nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:45

Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:42

I'm assuming this role would require an enhanced dbs?

Maybe instead of assuming you can read the job description and find out for yourself

www.myjobscotland.gov.uk/education/dundee-and-angus-college/jobs/period-dignity-regional-lead-officer-280621

Why would they need an enhanced DBS check?

MinkyWinky · 06/09/2022 14:49

ignore @nutellachurro .This is the third thread I've seen today where s/he is being deliberately provocative.

Florenz · 06/09/2022 14:50

It was a non-job any way, far too many of those in local government. I bet he was on an exorbitant salary as well, and has probably been paid off a year or more salary. All paid for by everyone else.

Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:50

I've had a brief look.

Job specifics states:
"This will include engaging with staff, partners, communities and young people in developing and delivering a campaign that stretches across our regions, raising awareness and understanding of the Period Product Act and the expanse of work happening in our respective communities"

So, in my view, if this person is "engaging with young people" then yes he should have. (I say that as someone who works with vulnerable people and who has an enhanced dbs..)

I can - vaguely- remember being at school. I would not have felt at all comfortable talking to a man about periods.

And the implication for young women now is if they feel the same they are indulging in "wrong think".

It's fucking insidious.

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nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:50

MinkyWinky · 06/09/2022 14:49

ignore @nutellachurro .This is the third thread I've seen today where s/he is being deliberately provocative.

It's provocative to not share someone's opinion now huh

Wild

SolasAnla · 06/09/2022 14:51

nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:45

Maybe instead of assuming you can read the job description and find out for yourself

www.myjobscotland.gov.uk/education/dundee-and-angus-college/jobs/period-dignity-regional-lead-officer-280621

Why would they need an enhanced DBS check?

May be the projects which involves contact with bleeding children?

Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:51

Florenz · 06/09/2022 14:50

It was a non-job any way, far too many of those in local government. I bet he was on an exorbitant salary as well, and has probably been paid off a year or more salary. All paid for by everyone else.

Have you seen the salary!!!???

Fuck me.

I'm in the wrong job! (And in this case am the wrong sex...)

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NightmareSlashDelightful · 06/09/2022 14:53

SolasAnla · 06/09/2022 14:44

Nope the law provides for some jobs to be sex specific if they are being sensitive to the needs of the recipient at point of delivery.

Its easy to justify that the PR / Public facing role element includes serving culturally diverse needs and requires female figurehead.
If it was just a purchasing/stores management role nobody would/could object.

Instead they decided to appoint a male be a "change advocate" / project champion for something which he would always only have a theoretically understanding of.

Yeah but wouldn't the fact the job was originally given to a man nullify that argument?

The employer couldn't employ a woman and claim that the job was only suitable for a woman due to the needs of the delivery recipients, because they'd previously appointed a man to do the exact same job. His appointment undermines that whole argument.

If they'd never appointed him in the first place they could probably have used and stuck to that argument.

nutellachurro · 06/09/2022 14:54

Chevyimpala67 · 06/09/2022 14:50

I've had a brief look.

Job specifics states:
"This will include engaging with staff, partners, communities and young people in developing and delivering a campaign that stretches across our regions, raising awareness and understanding of the Period Product Act and the expanse of work happening in our respective communities"

So, in my view, if this person is "engaging with young people" then yes he should have. (I say that as someone who works with vulnerable people and who has an enhanced dbs..)

I can - vaguely- remember being at school. I would not have felt at all comfortable talking to a man about periods.

And the implication for young women now is if they feel the same they are indulging in "wrong think".

It's fucking insidious.

and your view thankfully isn't the law

You don't need a DBS at all (let alone an enhanced one) unless you're conducting regulated activities with children.

NightmareSlashDelightful · 06/09/2022 14:55

DBS doesn't apply here — it's not a thing in Scotland.